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post Dec 12 2012, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 12 2012, 09:37 AM) *
To be honest, I wouldn't sell him out for peanuts, just to get rid of him. If the tag doesn't suit us, keep him. Because I don't see us getting a better/more suited player as a replacement anyway.

Sort of feel the same way, but if we're going to get 1 or 2 players in the window we need a bit of a cash injection and only Robinho could provide that.

How much do you think we'll get for Traore, Mesbah, Flamini, anf the other dead weight we have?

We'll be lucky to scrape around 8 to 10m for all of them
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post Dec 12 2012, 10:45 AM
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Our problem is the wages. We have I reckon at least 25 million to spend on transfer fees and still fall within the FFP rules. But the wages at the moment are still on the higher side. At the moment, the only person in our top ten wage earners truly earning his keep is Montolivo.

Here are our top 10 wage earners:

#1: Mexes - €4,000,000
#2: Robinho - €4,000,000
#3: Pato - €4,000,000
#4: Montolivo - €3,500,000
#5: De Jong - €3,000,000
#6: Pazzini - €2,700,000
#7: Boateng - €2,500,000
#8: Abate - €2,000,000
#9: Bonera - €2,000,000
#10: Bojan - €1,500,000

We have 3 bonafide bench warmers, 1 bloke who doesn't play at all. And then there's Robinho and Mexes who have not really carried the team as much as they should.

This is the tragedy here. Not to mention like Galliani said 32 players is WAY too much. At least 6 players too many.
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post Dec 12 2012, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 12 2012, 10:45 AM) *
Our problem is the wages. We have I reckon at least 25 million to spend on transfer fees and still fall within the FFP rules. But the wages at the moment are still on the higher side. At the moment, the only person in our top ten wage earners truly earning his keep is Montolivo.

Here are our top 10 wage earners:

#1: Mexes - €4,000,000
#2: Robinho - €4,000,000
#3: Pato - €4,000,000
#4: Montolivo - €3,500,000
#5: De Jong - €3,000,000
#6: Pazzini - €2,700,000
#7: Boateng - €2,500,000
#8: Abate - €2,000,000
#9: Bonera - €2,000,000
#10: Bojan - €1,500,000

We have 3 bonafide bench warmers, 1 bloke who doesn't play at all. And then there's Robinho and Mexes who have not really carried the team as much as they should.

This is the tragedy here. Not to mention like Galliani said 32 players is WAY too much. At least 6 players too many.

Bonera and Pazzini certainly overpaid. The rest are pretty fair though going by what is normally paid in football these days. Pato seems high because he's injured 99% of the time, but I don't know what can be done right now about it. Selling him would be beyond stupid as we would get a higher sum for Robinho at this point. I think a contract extension is the best move, give him more time, allow him to relax a bit and not feel like he's constantly on the chopping block, but offer him a slightly reduced wage, 3 to 3.5m should do the trick. Pato knows that the club is disappointed about the injuries as much as he is. Thus they're giving him the trust and confidence that will help him but at a more reasonable price.

Getting Robinho off that list will help a lot though plus reducing the number of players will also help in this. All these players who don't even get called to the bench are draining us every season and it is a big load to carry.
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post Dec 12 2012, 02:23 PM
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50k a week for Pazzini is about right. The very best make 100k +, very good players make 80k + so I think 50 for him is fine.

De Jong is overpaid. He's not a great DM, so to be earning over 50K a week is insane. I'd say everyone above Pazzo is overpaid to be honest.
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post Dec 12 2012, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 12 2012, 02:23 PM) *
50k a week for Pazzini is about right. The very best make 100k +, very good players make 80k + so I think 50 for him is fine.

De Jong is overpaid. He's not a great DM, so to be earning over 50K a week is insane. I'd say everyone above Pazzo is overpaid to be honest.

He's earning more than Boateng! Says enough really.

How much was De Jong earning at City? Because these things have to be considered, and for the contribution he's given so far, terrible injury aside, I say it's about right.

You also have to consider that last season bench warmers were earning higher than that
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post Dec 12 2012, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 12 2012, 06:23 PM) *
50k a week for Pazzini is about right. The very best make 100k +, very good players make 80k + so I think 50 for him is fine.

De Jong is overpaid. He's not a great DM, so to be earning over 50K a week is insane. I'd say everyone above Pazzo is overpaid to be honest.

I can imagine what payrolls the city players are on compared to ours probably in a different league all together.

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post Dec 12 2012, 03:10 PM
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Yaya Toure £250,000 a week...
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post Dec 12 2012, 04:13 PM
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Not to go off topic too much, but I just read that Arsenal have a wage bill of 177 million Euros a year! :wack0: What're they paying for?!!
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post Dec 12 2012, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 12 2012, 04:13 PM) *
Not to go off topic too much, but I just read that Arsenal have a wage bill of 177 million Euros a year! :wack0: What're they paying for?!!

Don't they have a wage cap?
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post Dec 12 2012, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 12 2012, 11:37 AM) *
To be honest, I wouldn't sell him out for peanuts, just to get rid of him. If the tag doesn't suit us, keep him. Because I don't see us getting a better/more suited player as a replacement anyway.


I think about €10 million for Robinho would be fair. Not to mention we'd also get rid of his wages.
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post Dec 12 2012, 05:23 PM
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Yes, the wage problem is a big one. Jack mentions Galliani's plans for reduction - but we cannot do this unless we don't solve our injury problem. This "big team" was created after all mostly because of permanent injuries - we always have at least 2-3 crucial players falling off the list for months.
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post Dec 12 2012, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 12 2012, 11:23 AM) *
Yes, the wage problem is a big one. Jack mentions Galliani's plans for reduction - but we cannot do this unless we don't solve our injury problem. This "big team" was created after all mostly because of permanent injuries - we always have at least 2-3 crucial players falling off the list for months.


Great point. The management ought to speak and act with more perspective. Otherwise we are just going in circles here.
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post Jan 10 2013, 07:25 PM
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Raiola: "Milan have taken Robinho off the transfer market. He could extend his contract with Milan."

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post Jan 10 2013, 07:35 PM
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Oh Jesus Christ.
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Contract extension? No effing way! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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