[William405]

http://football-italia.net/29085/boateng-t...tens-quit-serie

Now i'm not sure that is the way to deal with it..racists are everywhere so if a guy was racist to you..you leave the country?I'm all for stopping racism but this is a bit too sensitive for me.

[X-Offender]

http://football-italia.net/29085/boateng-t...tens-quit-serie

Now i'm not sure that is the way to deal with it..racists are everywhere so if a guy was racist to you..you leave the country?I'm all for stopping racism but this is a bit too sensitive for me.

Agreed. Boateng is going too far.

[Zed.D]

Where's Seedorf when you need him...

[Danny]

I think if more players threatened to leave countries where they receive significant racist abuse the game would be in a better state.

It's thanks to the attitude I see above that racism is being so poorly dealt with.

I accept that Italy is not the only country with racist problems, but that doesn't justify them. It's like 'he should just shut up and accept Italy has problems with racism'. Is that the attitude you want him to have?

When was the last time there a significant problem with racism in France or England?

I wouldn't blame him if he left - Spain, Italy and the Eastern Bloc have serious problems in this regard.

[han2503]

I think if more players threatened to leave countries where they receive significant racist abuse the game would be in a better state.

It's thanks to the attitude I see above that racism is being so poorly dealt with.

I accept that Italy is not the only country with racist problems, but that doesn't justify them. It's like 'he should just shut up and accept Italy has problems with racism'. Is that the attitude you want him to have?

When was the last time there a significant problem with racism in France or England?

I wouldn't blame him if he left - Spain, Italy and the Eastern Bloc have serious problems in this regard.

Prince can move to any country and he can still encounter the same problem.

I think what he did during the match was justified, and I personally applauded it, but threatening to leave the country is just ridiculous.

England for example have had countless cases recently, and these all involved the players themselves , racially abusing their collegues from an opposing team. Unless you're going to live on a deserted island then you're going to be subjected to such things, because it only takes one person for this to happen.

Yes some countries have more trouble then others, but I wouldn't count Italy with thim either

[servbot]

Walking out on a match is a positive step. It causes the offending people to become outcasts for ruining the game for everyone else. Walking out on the country won't do a thing, the games will continue because everyone else will still be there, and the offending people will just say "don't let the door hit your *** on the way out".

[Milan Are Brilli...]

England for example have had countless cases recently, and these all involved the players themselves , racially abusing their collegues from an opposing team. Unless you're going to live on a deserted island then you're going to be subjected to such things, because it only takes one person for this to happen.

Oh please, we've hardly had countless, a couple of sporadic incidents yes - though most have never even been proven too, often just an allegation.

Can safely say in recent years there's never been a case of this over here on a mass scale, where it still happens in various locations throughout Europe and further afield. In fact I've witnessed an individual hurling abuse to a player based on the colour of his skin and get forcibly picked up and handed to stewards by a couple of guys for doing it (Caucasian individuals just for the record).

Yes it will still slip through the net and you will get an individual moron doing it in the stadium, usually by action. However, clubs will take action on these individuals if notified by CCTV/Stewards/other fans etc.

I guess that's where our culture can differ to some, this to us is offensive and most people would take action even if it isn't against them directly certainly in the sporting world. Where it seems perhaps on certain parts of the continent it's a case of 'well it happens, so sobeit' which I find pretty hard to imagine as a thought process but each to their own and all.

[han2503]

Oh please, we've hardly had countless, a couple of sporadic incidents yes - though most have never even been proven too, often just an allegation.

Can safely say in recent years there's never been a case of this over here on a mass scale, where it still happens in various locations throughout Europe and further afield. In fact I've witnessed an individual hurling abuse to a player based on the colour of his skin and get forcibly picked up and handed to stewards by a couple of guys for doing it (Caucasian individuals just for the record).

Yes it will still slip through the net and you will get an individual moron doing it in the stadium, usually by action. However, clubs will take action on these individuals if notified by CCTV/Stewards/other fans etc.

I guess that's where our culture can differ to some, this to us is offensive and most people would take action even if it isn't against them directly certainly in the sporting world. Where it seems perhaps on certain parts of the continent it's a case of 'well it happens, so sobeit' which I find pretty hard to imagine as a thought process but each to their own and all.

Well they were high profile cases. So they immediately spring to mind.

In terms of crowds, no, I'd say Italy and Spain have had more issues in that area than England, which is why I say that in terms of organisation and marketing it is the best league in the world, and no one comes even close. The stadiums are safe and families feel safe in going as an afternoon outing with the kids, same cannot be said for Italy.

But again the incidents that happened involved individual players. A country can do all it can and still that one person will do something that can leave a blemish, whether they were proven or not

[Danny]

Prince can move to any country and he can still encounter the same problem.

I think what he did during the match was justified, and I personally applauded it, but threatening to leave the country is just ridiculous.

Would you rather he just walks off the pitch every time he gets racially abused instead?

England for example have had countless cases recently, and these all involved the players themselves , racially abusing their collegues from an opposing team. Unless you're going to live on a deserted island then you're going to be subjected to such things, because it only takes one person for this to happen.

I can't quite believe you're using unproven cases of John Terry's idiocy and Luis Suarez' cultural ignorance as a direct rebuttal to dozens and dozens + of fans subjecting a player to explicit proven racism.

Yes some countries have more trouble then others, but I wouldn't count Italy with thim either

Oh? You think a country using the song "A negro cannot be Italian" is not troubled by racism?

Talk about blind.

[Danny]

Well they were high profile cases. So they immediately spring to mind.

It was a very poor argument to use.

[Jack Bauer]

There was this thing in England few month ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...ssociation.html

I agree that it happens more in Italy than England, but overall it's a global issue. There is no such thing a racism free country these days.

[Danny]

There was this thing in England few month ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...ssociation.html

I agree that it happens more in Italy than England, but overall it's a global issue. There is no such thing a racism free country these days.

I don't mean to be a pedant, and there is zero excuse for it, but that was anti semetic not racist. And was aimed at the Jewish following Spurs have along with their chairman.

There was a targeted specific reason for that vile abuse.

[Ry4n]

Oh please, we've hardly had countless, a couple of sporadic incidents yes - though most have never even been proven too, often just an allegation.

Can safely say in recent years there's never been a case of this over here on a mass scale, where it still happens in various locations throughout Europe and further afield. In fact I've witnessed an individual hurling abuse to a player based on the colour of his skin and get forcibly picked up and handed to stewards by a couple of guys for doing it (Caucasian individuals just for the record).

Yes it will still slip through the net and you will get an individual moron doing it in the stadium, usually by action. However, clubs will take action on these individuals if notified by CCTV/Stewards/other fans etc.

I guess that's where our culture can differ to some, this to us is offensive and most people would take action even if it isn't against them directly certainly in the sporting world. Where it seems perhaps on certain parts of the continent it's a case of 'well it happens, so sobeit' which I find pretty hard to imagine as a thought process but each to their own and all.

Well said.

[Ry4n]

There was this thing in England few month ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...ssociation.html

I agree that it happens more in Italy than England, but overall it's a global issue. There is no such thing a racism free country these days.

Get on subject please we're talking about Italy and there is a BIG problem that is endemic in Italian society and ofc it spills over to the football scene. If anyone is at fault its the Italian government and the Italian FA for not clamping down harder. As for Boateng leaving Italian football i think it is the wrong approach.


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[han2503]

Would you rather he just walks off the pitch every time he gets racially abused instead?



I can't quite believe you're using unproven cases of John Terry's idiocy and Luis Suarez' cultural ignorance as a direct rebuttal to dozens and dozens + of fans subjecting a player to explicit proven racism.



Oh? You think a country using the song "A negro cannot be Italian" is not troubled by racism?

Talk about blind.

No, I'd rather the footballing authorities stamp down on this hard. Punish the clubs, punish the fans. No matter what league division they're in. But as I said, moving to a different country won't solve anything as you'll find this sort of thing anywhere you go.

I think it's actually worse when your own collegues are racially abusing you on the pitch, and they might not be proven, but no one knows what went down on the pitch but the players involved. It's ridiculous to say that nothing happened because they were not proved. Both cases are terrible, whether from fans or the players themselves. And as I said, the proper authority figures are the problem here. People at the end of the day will do as they please, and unless they're punished properly they'll continue to behave as such.

I didn't say there weren't problems in Italy!!! But you really think that the problems are as bad as they are in the eastern european countries? I think in Italy there are certain clubs who do have a history of having fans who do cause these problems and they all stem from their political backgrounds as well. Like Ryan said, it's a social problem which spills over into the sport, and it happens all over the world not just in football either. So having said that, I don't know what Boateng thinks moving would solve, it's mostly running away from the problem and most likely facing it again somehwere else. Will he change countries every time this happens?