[Fishdoll]

Sorry to disappoint you Jack, but I don't swim that way. You're mistaking me for dst. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[dst]

Zidane and Enzo Francescoli are going to star in a new football-related reality show called Football Cracks... what the f___?

[Zed.D]

LOL, seriously, wtf?

[dst]

and you guys complain about our forwards... see this before you talk again!

[servbot]

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Safe to say I would even score there, and I've never played ANY organized football!

[kurtsimonw]

and you guys complain about our forwards... see this before you talk again!

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It annoys me when I see things like that. That guy probably has an easy life with the money he makes from football yet he can't even score that..

[kurtsimonw]

"Brazilian legend Pele, often considered the best player in football history, has offered a retort to those hailing Barcelona forward Lionel Messi as the greatest star to have played the game. The three-time World Cup winner says people should only start drawing comparisons when Messi has equalled his goal tally of over 1,000 career goals. The Argentine took his senior career tally to 133 goals, which includes 42 this season for club and country, with a goal against Real Madrid on Saturday."

(No link, read it in the Daily Mail today)

The guy is an idiot. I think it's hilarious that he actually believes he's that good anyway. I doubt he would make my top 1,000 list. He played in a **** league and played International football at a time where all but about 10 countries were still at ametuer level. I think Jack could have scored 1,000 goals in the games Pele played!

I think he's just annoyed that an Argie at the age of 22 is better than he ever was. To say a player has to score 1,000 goals to be as good as him is stupid. Romario has done that anyway, while actually playing against opposition that play football.

[Jack Sparrow]

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I think Pele in Brazil was pretty much like Messi in Barca. It was such a freakishly good team. And you're just saying he's shite, since there's not a lot of videos available of him. But pundits don't just hype up a man for nothing.

Of course the fact that he's mostly mouthing crap doesn't help his case.

[kurtsimonw]

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I think Pele in Brazil was pretty much like Messi in Barca. It was such a freakishly good team. And you're just saying he's shite, since there's not a lot of videos available of him. But pundits don't just hype up a man for nothing.

Of course the fact that he's mostly mouthing crap doesn't help his case.

Nout to do with lack of videos. There's not an awful amount of videos of any pre-late 80s, but I'll still say Maradona or whoever else is great. It's the fact that he never proved his skills against anyone.

Some very average footballer could drop a few leagues, bang in the goals for fun year after year and then say he thinks he's the best ever because nobody scores at the rate he does. No different to what Pele did.

[dst]

Kurt man... I hate Pele as much as the next guy... but he can't have been that bad... you've gone extremely biased here.

[kurtsimonw]

Kurt man... I hate Pele as much as the next guy... but he can't have been that bad... you've gone extremely biased here.

He can't have been anywhere near as good as people make out either. He is by far the most overrated sportsperson of all-time.

[Locke Lamora]

He can't have been anywhere near as good as people make out either. He is by far the most overrated sportsperson of all-time.

I love you Kurt. I don't always show it but I really do.

Anyway, I can actually think of quite a number of players who I seriously believe were better than Pele... Maradona, Messi, Di Stefano, Cruyff, Baggio, Van Basten, Bergkamp and Batistuta for starters.

[Danny]

Nout to do with lack of videos. There's not an awful amount of videos of any pre-late 80s, but I'll still say Maradona or whoever else is great. It's the fact that he never proved his skills against anyone.

Winning the world cup 3 times isn't proving your skills?

Some very average footballer could drop a few leagues, bang in the goals for fun year after year and then say he thinks he's the best ever because nobody scores at the rate he does. No different to what Pele did.

Funny how no one else ever has. Apart from Ibrahimovic.

Your view is extraordinary.

Mind you, I always considered Zidane totally over rated so my view was in the minority as well.

So I know how you feel.

[Danny]

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I think Pele in Brazil was pretty much like Messi in Barca. It was such a freakishly good team. And you're just saying he's shite, since there's not a lot of videos available of him. But pundits don't just hype up a man for nothing.

Of course the fact that he's mostly mouthing crap doesn't help his case.

Yeah, Pele's detractors, such as Kurt, see nothing but the absolute garbage the man comes out with and automatically, and understandably stigmatise him against it as a result.

Pele is not a smart cookie, he included Diouff in his top 100 players of all time ffs.

But he was a special player and there's good reasons it's him and Maradona who vie for best ever rather than Cruyff and Maradona, or Van Basten and Maradona.

[Jack Sparrow]

I also don't think a cr@p league would throw up players like Jairzinho, Tostao, Garrincha etc. It just doesn't happen.