[han2503]

+1; and remember Ambro against PSV. Okay, it was a header goal, but that's unimportant. Beside some Pippo, Costacurta and Maldini memories, that goal was personally to me one of the most passionate and emotional moments of recent Milan history. This is totally my opinion and maybe not objective, but I had to add it.

You had to bring that up didn't you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Look, I know I'm coming off as a grade A a-hole here. Ambro has done his fair share for Milan, he's scored some really important goals, and to me that PSV goal will always be one that sits with the top 10.

But I'm only talking from the technical aspect of his and Rino's game. And to me Rino is better. And I know I'm coming off harsh on Ambro becuase he does sometimes play well, but most of the time I just find him so frustrating it's unbelievable.

But again. I'm only speaking of what I see on the pitch, to me Rino is a better DM then Ambro and a better candidate for the captaincy. But that's just mu oppinion.

Some here like Ambro's style more, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, just as I know you're not trying to convince me as well.

I just wanted to clarify that this is in no way me attacking Ambro. I'm just not his biggest of fans when it comes to his style of play. Not as a milan player and his cotribution to Milan

[Zed.D]

Was Ambro voted CL semi final's MotM after all? can anyone find a link? cause Gattuso was the hero that night...

[kurtsimonw]

Han, I'm not just saying Ambro's a better player because he scores goals.. that's just something extra he has in his game that Rino doesn't.

Last thing I'll add is this: You talk of Rino helping out Pirlo alot, but Pirlo has been disasterous since the 2006 World Cup! Rino lacks the ariel ability, pace, passing and awareness to be a good DM at all. We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because I don't rate him as a player at this kind of level.

As for his passing.. 30 seconds into this.. in perfect, Rino couldn't hit this if he tried 1,000 times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: May 25 2009, 10:02 PM

[han2503]

Han, I'm not just saying Ambro's a better player because he scores goals.. that's just something extra he has in his game that Rino doesn't.

Last thing I'll add is this: You talk of Rino helping out Pirlo alot, but Pirlo has been disasterous since the 2006 World Cup! Rino lacks the ariel ability, pace, passing and awareness to be a good DM at all. We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because I don't rate him as a player at this kind of level.

It's that Rangers thing again isn't it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But agreed, we really have to agree to disagree on this one, because I'm reading this and just saying "What??!!!"

That's my reaction to how you feel about Rino.

Personally I feel the same way about Ambro, but that's just how I see it and we're never going to see eye to eye on the issue.

Regarding Pirlo, no he's hasn't been that great since the 06 WC, but some of that comes down to burn out at the sheer ammount of games he plays, both for club and country. But looking at the seasons played since then, and the best of his performances, they came when Rino was next to him. And I still stay by my comment that Rino and Pirlo have great chemistry and play better when they are next to eachother.

Again looking back at the WC, Rino was Pirlo's right hand man and had he not been there to cover Pirlo, Pirlo would not have been as influential.

[Zed.D]

As for his passing.. 30 seconds into this.. in perfect, Rino couldn't hit this if he tried 1,000 times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) that's not Ambro!!

[han2503]

Han, I'm not just saying Ambro's a better player because he scores goals.. that's just something extra he has in his game that Rino doesn't.

Last thing I'll add is this: You talk of Rino helping out Pirlo alot, but Pirlo has been disasterous since the 2006 World Cup! Rino lacks the ariel ability, pace, passing and awareness to be a good DM at all. We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because I don't rate him as a player at this kind of level.

As for his passing.. 30 seconds into this.. in perfect, Rino couldn't hit this if he tried 1,000 times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Are you talking about the headed goal or the pass, becuase I'm pretty sure Pirlo was the one that made that long diagonal pass out to the right wing?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Oh and regarding the pace, surely you don't believe that Ambro is faster then Rino do you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[han2503]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) that's not Ambro!!

That's definately Pirlo...

[kurtsimonw]

Oh and regarding the pace, surely you don't believe that Ambro is faster then Rino do you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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I would say Rino is very slow in comparison to other modern footballers. I'd be interested to find out the sort of speeds they run, I'd say Ambro is quicker by quite a distance.

That's definately Pirlo...

Yeah, you're right.

It has nothing to him being a former Rangers player, I'm happy for Rangers to have poor players. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

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I would say Rino is very slow in comparison to other modern footballers. I'd be interested to find out the sort of speeds they run, I'd say Ambro is quicker by quite a distance.

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We are talking about the same Rino right? The one that has lungs of steel and capable of keeping up with the likes of C.Ronaldo step for step.

To me Ambro is the ultra slow one, he makes Seedorf look like an Olympic runner...

Yeah, you're right.

It has nothing to him being a former Rangers player, I'm happy for Rangers to have poor players. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Got you!!!

So it is a Rangers thing.

Or is it the fact that Rino's only goal with the Azzurri came as a 30 yard pile driver of a winner against the Three Lions? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[GonzZo]

To me Ambrosini's biggest flaw is that he's so inconsistent. On his day he's the best there is, but sometimes he just goes through this periods where he just plays terribly, those periods where he averages a yellow card per game. Anyways Pace, passing, shooting, heading etc. What does that have to do with being a captain ?

I think the biggest flaw with Gattuso regarding being captain is that he is simply to hot-headed. Nobody doubts his passion or his love for the club, but those are just some of the qualities that a captain needs. Gattuso becomes crazy when oponents do hard tackles and stuff like that, and he gets really carried away, we need a captain who can keep the cool. We also need someone that can be an example to the youngsters in the club, and help them adapt to playing at Milan, and Gattuso just doesn't strike me as that.

I think that Ambrosini would probably make a better captain, but his one big problem is that he's not gonna be a guarenteed starter next season. We have Flamini, Gattuso perhaps Seedorf and Gourcuff, already in that position. It would definetly be better to have someone who's always a regular to be the captian.

The other options are Nesta, as mentioned, who has already been the captain in Lazio, but we really don't know where we have him. And Kaka, who Maldini himself said would make a great captain.

[Zed.D]

No way Rino is as slow as Ambro! I'm not biased towards either of them but Ambro is definitely slower especially when running with the ball.

How can the Rino that was closer to C.Ronaldo than his own shadow be slow?

[kurtsimonw]

No way Rino is as slow as Ambro! I'm not biased towards either of them but Ambro is definitely slower especially when running with the ball.

How can the Rino that was closer to C.Ronaldo than his own shadow be slow?

I'll admit Rino is quicker than Ambro (I'm talking about acceleration here, not how fast he is), but that's because there was always a number of players on Ronaldo, he didn't have the space to really get running. I don't think he's that fast at all, maybe not as slow as Pirlo, but I don't think he's far off!

Although, in reality, this arguement is pretty futile. It doesn't matter if Ambro is the best in the World and Gattuso is the worst, if Gattuso is playing better, he should play. But the fact is, Abro has been one of our best players of the past 2 seasons, at least in midfield, Rino and Pirlo have been very poor and only start because of who they are.

[Fillipo Simone]

Okay, let's end this discussion. Some of us like Ambro, some of us Rino. My offer would be - let's like both of them.

[Zed.D]

Rino is not fast but he's not slow either. he's pretty normal...

But the fact is, Abro has been one of our best players of the past 2 seasons, at least in midfield, Rino and Pirlo have been very poor and only start because of who they are.

Gattuso was amazing this season before he got injured, trust me! last season... not much. as for Pirlo, I agree, I know he is loved and respected by many on here but he's become quite an average player. he has one good game in every ~5 games and it's not a one off thing, he hasn't been the same since the WC. Ambro too is inconsistent but nowhere near as inconsistent as Pirlo or even Kaka (of this season).

My biggest problem with Ambro is that most of the time when he receives the ball in midfield, he turns around himself and eventually passes it back to defenders! he's lacks creativity and cannot play forwardly unless given lots of space. that's probably his biggest problem from a technical pov.

Just felt like saying my opinion. I don't want you to reply (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[il_diavolo_mtl]

This year i havn't been fond of so many players consistency level. If i were to name THE most consistent player this year, with a straight face i would say Ronnie/Inzaghi as far as effort and bringing something to the game as soon as they come on. This is completely unbias, and i wish i could put Kaka's name up there but even he has been a victim of some off days. DON'T MISQUOTE ME, Kaka is capable of being the Undisputed #1 in the world, and he is our next captain post-maldini. I just found Ronnie made such great performances with his runs, but the lack of speed in midfield would often be his undoing as no one was around him to build up the play. I'm not pointing fingers i'm just saying if we wan't to be an offensive powerhouse again, we need more pace/dribbling from our midfield to create mismatches which allows our shooters to shoot. You can all Bash us for going after Dinho n the first place but he brings effort and a contagious attitude that rubs positively on the players. Forza Dinho