[Giancarlo]

I am more inclined to seeing a Sheva - Inzaghi partnership (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

I want to relive some memories of old (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) .. I don't know if they are up to it anymore, but I guess the answer will come out on the pitch (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But I also want Pato to start, it would be a deadly trident if it clicked, the Ka-Pa-Ro ... And I hope to see that trident too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

That I might be able to settle for, but I'd much rather see Pato play...

[han2503]

I'm amazed at how people are downplaying Pippo, I really am.

Come on Tennie, when has Pippo last hit the ground running at the beginning of the season? Sure o6/07 he scored 1 in the opener of both Serie A and then the CL but then nothing, it has been the same for the last 3-4 years. Then he starts scoring a ridiculous ammount in the last 2 months, Pippo hasn't really had a consistant season from start to finish since 02/03 when he was scoring like a maniac from the very start of the season.

Right now, it's useless to play him since we all know he won't score unless it's a tap in from half a meter, he even managed to miss those on Sunday.

Like zd said, people tend to forget Pippo's misses because he scores important goals in big matches, had it been Gila that would have missed the chances Pippo missed everyone would be screaming bloody murder on here, but since it's Pippo it's ok.

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 9 2008, 08:37 PM

[Giancarlo]

Come on Tennie, when has Pippo last hit the ground running at the beginning of the season? Sure o6/07 he scored 1 in the opener of both Serie A and then the CL but then nothing, it has been the same for the last 3-4 years. Then he starts scoring a ridiculous ammount in the last 2 months, Pippo hasn't really had a consistant season from start to finish since 02/03 when he was scoring like a maniac from the very start of the season.

Right now, it's useless to play him since we all know he won't score unless it's a tap in from half a meter, he even managed to miss those on Sunday.

Like zd said, people tend to forget Pippo's misses because he scores important goals in big matches, had it been Gila that would have missed the chances Pippo missed everyone would be screaming bloody murder on here, but since it's Pippo it's ok.

This is ridiculous. Several times he made shots out of nothing... he scored goals out of nothing. not just easy tap ins. The guy had an injury for the last year. He's been pretty good the last few years. It's shocking to me someone can bash on him. 2005-6, and 2007-08 were good seasons for him, considering he didn't play the usual amount.

I think he will score and I think that he can do better than Sheva. I'm sorry, but Inzaghi is miles better than Sheva right now. Even though he's three years older.

Inzaghi is a legend and always will be one with Milan. Not only that you're quick to judge based on one game.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 9 2008, 08:41 PM

[Tennie]

One could also say that people tend to remember Pato's goals more than his misses too (I think he'd be forgiven far more than Pippo would, because he's young and Brazilian).

I think the argument could go both ways.

[kurtsimonw]

Inzaghi is a legend and always will be one with Milan. Not only that you're quick to judge based on one game.

The same can be said for Sheva to. He is a Milan legend, and people are already judging him after just 45 minutes.

[Giancarlo]

The same can be said for Sheva to. He is a Milan legend, and people are already judging him after just 45 minutes.

Who did better in that game?

I think Inzaghi. I'm not attacking Sheva... I think he needs more time... I think he could be brought on in the 60th or 70th minute, instead of a player like Emerson.

[Rossoneri7]

This is ridiculous. Several times he made shots out of nothing... he scored goals out of nothing. not just easy tap ins. The guy had an injury for the last year. He's been pretty good the last few years. It's shocking to me someone can bash on him. 2005-6, and 2007-08 were good seasons for him, considering he didn't play the usual amount.

I think he will score and I think that he can do better than Sheva. I'm sorry, but Inzaghi is miles better than Sheva right now. Even though he's three years older.

Inzaghi is a legend and always will be one with Milan. Not only that you're quick to judge based on one game.

Inzaghi, despite his injuries is a very crucial player for Milan. He has been a trusty handy man for when the going gets tough (post long-term injury). Some would want to highlight his misses as a main concern ... He is 34 now, and I can not ask anymore of this man ! He stood by Milan ever since he came here, he worked hard and came back, he gave Milan 2 goals in the final and only a lethal striker like him could have positioned himself in such a way for both goals. It shows his mind is very tactically oriented and has the experience that adds to his amazing responses in the 18-yard. Let us not forget who is the reigning European all time scorer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Shevchenko is already a part of Milan history, the second highest scorer for the club. What player he is now, I don't care really, all I care about is that he gave Milan and its fans such joy, he wasn't called the White Ronaldo for nothing.

But I can't agree with you and say that Inzaghi is miles ahead of Sheva. For a simple reason, it is because what Inzaghi does is totally different than what Shevchenko does. But I must say, those two together would cause goose bumps to run down my spine all over again !

[han2503]

This is ridiculous. Several times he made shots out of nothing... he scored goals out of nothing. not just easy tap ins. The guy had an injury for the last year. He's been pretty good the last few years. It's shocking to me someone can bash on him. 2005-6, and 2007-08 were good seasons for him, considering he didn't play the usual amount.

I think he will score and I think that he can do better than Sheva. I'm sorry, but Inzaghi is miles better than Sheva right now. Even though he's three years older.

Inzaghi is a legend and always will be one with Milan. Not only that you're quick to judge based on one game.

Pippo creating goals out of nothing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Even for you this is a step too far.

Pippo needs to be handed balls on a silver platter in order to score, that's always been the way Pippo plays, when he was younger sure he could do something great like score a bicycle kick but not anymore.

05/06 he played nearly the entire season and had minor injuries here and there, and still his goals came late on into the season, Bayern doesn't count because Pippo would score against Bayern Munich even with one leg (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Last season he had the kidney stones(?) and the thigh strain but he still started the season fit, and again failed to do anything at the beginning. I'm not basing this on 1 game, I'm basing this on the last 3 years!!

Inzaghi miles better then Sheva?? Just because Sheva was treated like cr@p at Chelsea from the moment he went there and his confidence went down does not make him cr@p, he still managed to score probably the best goal Chelsea scored in these last few years against Tottenham and he saved there @sses multiple time in the CL. Sheva is a better finisher then Inzaghi, it's not really a debate, his record shows this, and even while at Chelsea his goal tally is probably very close to Pippo's. And both had serious injuries during these last 2 seasons

The same can be said for Sheva to. He is a Milan legend, and people are already judging him after just 45 minutes.

The only reason Sheva is being treated differently is because he committed a major 'sin' and left Milan. Had he never left no one would think to compare him to Pippo, simple as that.

@ Tennie, sure people tend to close an eye when it comes to Pato, but Pippo has all the experiance anyone could ask for behind him while Pato is a 19 year old kid (18 when he missed those chances). It's expected for him to sometimes get nervice and let the blood rush to his head when he get's an opprtunity to score, but Pippo who scored some of the most important goals for us can't really hide behind an excuse like this one. He's ice cold in front of the goal when it comes to really impartant macthes.

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 9 2008, 09:02 PM

[Giancarlo]

Pippo creating goals out of nothing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Even for you this is a step too far.

Pippo needs to be handed balls on a silver platter in order to score, that's always been the way Pippo plays, when he was younger sure he could do something great like score a bicycle kick but not anymore.

05/06 he played nearly the entire season and had minor injuries here and there, and still his goals came late on into the season, Bayern doesn't count because Pippo would score against Bayern Munich even with one leg (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Last season he had the kidney stones(?) and the thigh strain but he still started the season fit, and again failed to do anything at the beginning. I'm not basing this on 1 game, I'm basing this on the last 3 years!!

This is outrageously laughable. Simply you did not see him in several of those matches last season, once he was tripped over and finished beautifully. It's not about a silver platter anything. It's about you not recognizing the guy where he needs to be. He played ery few games last season. Yes you are bashing him on one game, and the last years for him have been good ones.

64 goals in European competitions... and you still have the audacity to bash the guy.

Shame on you.

Sheva is a better finisher then Inzaghi, it's not really a debate, his record shows this, and even while at Chelsea his goal tally is probably very close to Pippo's. And both had serious injuries during these last 2 seasons

Hell no, Sheva is not. Debate? The facts are we can't risk fielding a Sheva that is nothing like what he was three years ago.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 9 2008, 09:04 PM

[han2503]

Inzaghi, despite his injuries is a very crucial player for Milan. He has been a trusty handy man for when the going gets tough (post long-term injury). Some would want to highlight his misses as a main concern ... He is 34 now, and I can not ask anymore of this man ! He stood by Milan ever since he came here, he worked hard and came back, he gave Milan 2 goals in the final and only a lethal striker like him could have positioned himself in such a way for both goals. It shows his mind is very tactically oriented and has the experience that adds to his amazing responses in the 18-yard. Let us not forget who is the reigning European all time scorer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Shevchenko is already a part of Milan history, the second highest scorer for the club. What player he is now, I don't care really, all I care about is that he gave Milan and its fans such joy, he wasn't called the White Ronaldo for nothing.

But I can't agree with you and say that Inzaghi is miles ahead of Sheva. For a simple reason, it is because what Inzaghi does is totally different than what Shevchenko does. But I must say, those two together would cause goose bumps to run down my spine all over again !

Agreed on everything you said R7

As for the bolded part, if R7 can say this then surely you can't continue to argue on the matter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 9 2008, 09:08 PM

[Giancarlo]

Agreed on everything you said R7

As for the bolded part, if R7 can say this then surely you can;t continue to argue on the matter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Oh yes I will.

I will argue this until hell freezes over. Stop trying to think Sheva is still what he was. When we lose against Genoa because he fails to convert any of his shots, don't come complaining back to me.

Sheva at most is a utility player.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 9 2008, 09:09 PM

[Tennie]

Sorry, but I think the double-standard is unfair. If Pippo is going to be criticized for missing goals, then Pato should be too, yet it seems impolitic to say anything remotely negative about the kid.

For those who care about statistical things, Gazzetta's player information for last year's league games shows Pato with 9 goals scored in 1333 minutes played (.05/game) and Pippo with 11 goals scored in 1394 minutes played (.052/game). Pippo's goal ratio is .02 higher than Pato's.

[han2503]

Oh yes I will.

I will argue this until hell freezes over. Stop trying to think Sheva is still what he was. When we lose against Genoa because he fails to convert any of his shots, don't come complaining back to me.

Sheva at most is a utility player.

Hey, you think Pippo is still what he was so why is it wrong for me to defend Sheva? And I'm not even saying he's still what he was before he left!!!! My god, do you even read what I write??? AGAIN the only reason I even brought up the 04 season is because I wanted to use it as a REFERENCE POINT for the fact that Sheva does indeed know how to play as a lone striker!!!! I wasn;t saying that he's still the player he was back then!!!

Oh pls, come complaining?? Oh so it's ok for you to judge Sheva based on his 1 macth, but it's not ok for me to judge Pippo on his performance against Genoa... talk about being a hypocrit! And btw, I wasn't even basing my oppinion on Pippo on 1 game, which I repeated to you about a million times but on his performances at the beginning of the last 3 seasons.

[Rossoneri7]

Pippo's goal ratio is .02 higher than Pato's.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Run woman, RUNNN !!!

[Giancarlo]

Hey, you think Pippo is still what he was so why is it wrong for me to defend Sheva? And I'm not even saying he's still what he was before he left!!!! My god, do you even read what I write??? AGAIN the only reason I even brought up the 04 season is because I wanted to use it as a REFERENCE POINT for the fact that Sheva does indeed know how to play as a lone striker!!!! I wasn;t saying that he's still the player he was back then!!!

Oh pls, come complaining?? Oh so it's ok for you to judge Sheva based on his 1 macth, but it's not ok for me to judge Pippo on his performance against Genoa... talk about being a hypocrit! And btw, I wasn't even basing my oppinion on Pippo on 1 game, which I repeated to you about a million times but on his performances at the beginning of the last 3 seasons.

Because Pippo stuck around and was loyal. I can't say the same about Sheva. I do not trust the guy to be all alone up front nor do I trust him to finish well. He's going to have to earn my damn trust, before I advocate putting him as the lone striker!

It's not whether he knows how to play... heck even I do... but in reality I'm a defensive midfielder whenever I play... but... does he play well? Does he?

Pippo has done a lot of stuff for us... and is an effective finisher. I based my opinions on the last few years. CASE IN DAMN POINT.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 9 2008, 09:20 PM