[han2503]

I'd like to see both of the new kids play. Hopefully Pippo and Seedorf will play too; the zebra fans of my acquaintance are always frustrated by how these two seem to score on Buffon at will. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Seedorf is the funniest though considering all the deflected shots that for some unknown reason always manage to go in. He does it against the Merda to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm probably the only one here who would actually defend Kaladze, and I think he's a class defender.

Kaladze, I though was good when he played in the LB position, powerful and strong defensively and managed to put in some decent crosses. But as far as him playing in the CB position he was never good. Nesta made him look good in the 05/06 season because he was in good form and managed to stay injury free so he was always there to cover Kala's back, but these last 2 seasons where Nesta was either injured or not playing at 100% we saw how bad he is. He makes bad decisions and especially last season he made some horrible mistakes that ended in us conceeding ridiculous goals

[han2503]

He usually plays great in big games (against Manchester Utd in San Siro for example) but his mistakes cost us more than his effectiveness could help.

In all honesty he didn't have much to do against Manchester...

And if we are going for the league this season we need a consistant defender that will show up for every match against every team not just Juve, Inter and Roma. You win the league by winning against the smaller teams not by winning against those 3 mentioned teams.

And I've seen Kaladze have bad games against big teams in the past, 05/06 against Barca he had a terrible game.

[Zed.D]

@ han

Well, I agree that he's had bad games against big teams too. but overall he plays well IF he gives a **** about that certain game! just like the Turtle. most of Kakha's mistakes have been against average teams.

[han2503]

@ han

Well, I agree that he's had bad games against big teams too. but overall he plays well IF he gives a **** about that certain game! just like the Turtle. most of Kakha's mistakes have been against average teams.

Well Seedorf is another concept all together, he's not a central defender thus him making mistakes here and there or not playing up to standard won't effect the team like a CB would. But still, I just don't think Kaladze is good enough no matter the opposition, he shouldn;t be first choice for a club like Milan.

As for who he doesn't play well against, like I said, we are going for the league this season, and in order to win the league you have to win against the small teams, and players like him making stupid mistakes against said teams will only result in us losing precious points and dropping back in the table

[Tennie]

This morning's training has taken place.

The first 30 minutes of training were spent on warmups and technical exercises. Following this there were practice drills on offense and defense.

Emerson, after the first 30 minutes of training with the team, did specific work in the gym.

Pippo, for the first part of training, did some running at different rhythms around the perimeter of the pitch, and then rejoined Kaladze, Borriello, Kaka and Maldini in the gym for specific work.

There'll be another training session this afternoon.

[Zed.D]

Well Seedorf is another concept all together, he's not a central defender thus him making mistakes here and there or not playing up to standard won't effect the team like a CB would. But still, I just don't think Kaladze is good enough no matter the opposition, he shouldn;t be first choice for a club like Milan.

There's no question Milan deserves a better CB to pair up with Nesta. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I know he's God and there'll never be another him and all, but we should find a new Maldini. Milan had always been renowned for its extraordinary CBs in recent years, then came the last two/three seasons and we all know the story... nowadays there are a few teams that have a better central defense compared to us (at least IMO)... say Chelsea. neither Terry nor Carvalho are no where near Nesta, but as a pair they're one of the best. much better than Nesta-Kaladze. our management shouldn't have let this situation happen to the '#1 club in the world'.

As for who he doesn't play well against, like I said, we are going for the league this season, and in order to win the league you have to win against the small teams, and players like him making stupid mistakes against said teams will only result in us losing precious points and dropping back in the table

100% agreed.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Aug 12 2008, 03:06 PM

[armiss]

Kaladze has some similarities as Kalac , both take effects from the team performance , if all the team be in right mood , they 2 play good , we must say that Kaladze is exeptional in these moments , i didnt see his up and downs in ordinary days of the team too . if our team show some bad mood they will drop BADLY, something that we saw in these years many times , because there was so many moments that our team was in confusing conditions .


i think if we only reach to a constant spirit with a good team work Kaladze will be very good . with new players we will be in a better form for this .

This post has been edited by armiss: Aug 12 2008, 02:40 PM

[armiss]

these are very lazy days !! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sneakingsmiley.gif)

[Tennie]

Afternoon training has taken place.

The first 30 minutes or so saw the players doing stretching exercises and working on the abs.

Following this was a whole bunch of personalized work.

Zambrotta, Oddo, Emerson and Dida worked in the sand pit on stretches and aerobic work.

Brocchi, Flamini, Seedorf, Cardacio, Pirlo and Ambrosini did laps around the perimeter of the central pitch.

Antonini and Darmian worked in the sand pit.

Paloschi worked on strength exercises and running a course in the woods.

The other players worked in the gym.

There will be 2 training sessions tomorrow.

[milanista1899]

Nope...the bumblingness, comes once in every 7-10 matches imo.

Of course in his good games, he doesn't do anything extraordinary. He isn't going to pull off an inch-perfect slide tackle. Or a goal line clearance. Or a standing ball-steal from the opposing defender. He uses his size, to cut down space and makes lateral tackles.

He's not the best defender ever, but he's not a pathetic loser, who's the worst to wear a Milan shirt either.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) It's more often than that.

I think we need a CB that CAN do those things too when needed, maybe my expectations are too high. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

No, but at times he looks like one.

Tennie and I basically say: He's not the greatest ever, but he's pretty good.

The others say: He's on the good side of terrible.

And then there's me that says he's generally a liability, should have been sold this, last or the season before to raise money for a world class defender instead of Simic who should've got more time than he did. Sometimes he can be solid but he's consistently inconsistent which simply isn't good enough. Sure everyone has the odd bad day but he has them way too often.

[Habitant]

isnt being a good defender and especially CB all about consistency? i mean i dont care how well he plays when you ignore his blunders, no team (at least of our stature, who want to challenge) can afford your starting CB to Gift a goal every 2nd game, thats not including all the other mistakes he consistently makes and isnt punished for. you just cant say "well kaladze is unlucky, when he makes a mistakes he always gets screwed for it", it's pretty simple you reap what you sow and the good defenders dont make the number of mistakes kaladze makes.

the guy is so lazy too, how many times does he foul guys because he doesnt want to keep up with him or leaves someone completely unmarked in the box when it's his man, then plays the "who was marking who?" act.

[milanista1899]

then plays the "who was marking who?" act.

Man marking would cut that out completely, isn't that what the Invincibili and other teams at the time did? Why did we stop using it? I vaguely remember an old interview with Panucci where he named a couple of big teams that used the zonal marking system, including Real. Apart from defenders going maybe slightly out of their natural position I don't see any disadvantage with man marking, or any other advantage playing zonal. Anyone know much more about this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

I'm not sure man marking is wise. I think Zlatan + Cruz is better offensively than our of our CB partnerships are defensively, so they'd beat us for sure. In my opinion of course. But like you said, the disadvantage is people getting dragged out of position. Imagine Zlatan dragging Nesta out of defense leaving Kaladze on his own with Cruz, talk about a massacre. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 13 2008, 02:01 AM

[Tennie]

^^ If memory serves, that actually happened in the first derby last year, Kurt.

[jbryant1]

Well this is the test for us. A real projection of whats to come

We don't have key offensive players but there is no reason our defense can't stand up.

Everything else is a bunch of excuses for which most people would be fired for. If this was another organization Ancelotti would have been shown the door a long time ago.