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 Aug 12 2008, 02:07 AM
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Token Girl  Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800  |
Kaladze is, I think, overrated by the powers that be in Milan. He's good but he's nowhere near the class of Nesta or Maldini (or the other Invincibili, Tassotti, Costacurta or Baresi). He's far too prone to Kaladzities - dumb fouls, poor marking, getting himself sent off while wearing the armband. That said, he did play the full 90 minutes of the May 2, 2007, game against MU - and got the highest player rating of all defenders for the game.
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Aug 12 2008, 05:51 AM
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Loves Greek Women esp Fay Group: Moderators Posts: 14,924 Joined: 19-May 06 From: Bangalore,India Member No.: 1,865 |
I agree with that. I've felt, Kaladze was one of those players who on a good day are very very good, but don't really receive a lot of attention, but who on a bad day seem to have their every mistake laid open.
Pippo and Buffon are players whom I think are on the opposite end of the spectrum. |
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Aug 12 2008, 05:57 AM
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Esordienti B 96  Group: Full Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-August 08 From: India Member No.: 3,999 |
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 12 2008, 11:21 AM)  I agree with that. I've felt, Kaladze was one of those players who on a good day are very very good, but don't really receive a lot of attention, but who on a bad day seem to have their every mistake laid open. Well, that's because he puts on his excellent displays once in a blue moon. But is the bumbling defender in most of the matches. And people tend to remember the regular stuff instead of the rare. Same argument for Superpippo and Buffon. |
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Aug 12 2008, 06:17 AM
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Loves Greek Women esp Fay Group: Moderators Posts: 14,924 Joined: 19-May 06 From: Bangalore,India Member No.: 1,865 |
Nope...the bumblingness, comes once in every 7-10 matches imo. Unfortunately Milan have been so bad last couple of seasons, that we've had no breathing room with mistakes. Every mistake has been costly, simply coz our attack has been pretty bad. There were times when being 1-0 down in the first half was bad news.
And so every Kaladze mistake was amplified. Of course in his good games, he doesn't do anything extraordinary. He isn't going to pull off an inch-perfect slide tackle. Or a goal line clearance. Or a standing ball-steal from the opposing defender. He uses his size, to cut down space and makes lateral tackles. He's not the best defender ever, but he's not a pathetic loser, who's the worst to wear a Milan shirt either. |
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Aug 12 2008, 06:20 AM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,198 Joined: 5-August 08 Member No.: 4,011 |
I really don't agree with either of the sentiments shown by either of you...
This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 12 2008, 06:21 AM |
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Aug 12 2008, 06:22 AM
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Loves Greek Women esp Fay Group: Moderators Posts: 14,924 Joined: 19-May 06 From: Bangalore,India Member No.: 1,865 |
Hmm....
Tennie and I basically say: He's not the greatest ever, but he's pretty good. The others say: He's on the good side of terrible. You're saying what exactly? |
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Aug 12 2008, 06:23 AM
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Esordienti B 96 Group: Full Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-August 08 From: India Member No.: 3,999 |
I guess you're right, Jackieboy, but I don't think I can ever make myself to not have over-expectations from any Rossoneri player. It's all black or white for me while judging those wearing the read and black (or white or black, as the occasion demands).
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Aug 12 2008, 06:40 AM
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"Durgle The Turtle" Group: Helpers Posts: 1,583 Joined: 28-January 07 From: Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Member No.: 3,402 |
He's a really good defender but he is pretty clumsy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Aug 12 2008, 07:08 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Some of the mess ups he has with Dida.. sometimes I have to think to myself, is this staged or what?
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Aug 12 2008, 07:33 AM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,198 Joined: 5-August 08 Member No.: 4,011 |
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 12 2008, 05:22 AM) Hmm.... Tennie and I basically say: He's not the greatest ever, but he's pretty good. The others say: He's on the good side of terrible. You're saying what exactly? I think he's an underrated class player that some people don't like, but I happen to think he's mainly effective. |
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Aug 12 2008, 08:18 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
IMO Kaladze is a good left back. This is the position he was introduced in and he really did well. As a CB he simply lacks of consistency. You cannot rely on him like you can on Nesta, he's just to unpredictable. But Carlo usually allways plays him on the central position.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Aug 12 2008, 08:41 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
It really does annoy me when he puts Maldini at LB and Kaladze at LCB.. makes me want to punch him in the face.
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Aug 12 2008, 12:42 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 11 2008, 09:26 PM) What happened to Kalac? Not training anymore lol? Now it's his turn to 'recover' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:46 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 12 2008, 05:37 AM) He's far too prone to Kaladzities - dumb fouls, poor marking, getting himself sent off while wearing the armband. And gives away penalties like candies. that's the worst part (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:52 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 12 2008, 11:03 AM) I think he's an underrated class player that some people don't like, but I happen to think he's mainly effective. He usually plays great in big games (against Manchester Utd in San Siro for example) but his mistakes cost us more than his effectiveness could help. |
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