[pacang]

never seen him play.. is he as good as Vidic?

damn i like him.. he's a good cb.. (lets ignore the fact we trashed them before)

[kurtsimonw]

He's not as good as Vidic in my opinion. Vidic is under-rated by many. Considering Rio Ferdinand is utter ***** 50% of the time, he has to do alot on hiw own for United.

As for the Mancini thing.. international caps don't mean THAT much sometimes. There's a few NTs that pick themselves, so it doesn't really matter how well you play, you'll not stand much chance of getting into the first team, maybe just into the squad.

For me, last 2 years Mancini > last 2 years R10. But maybe he'll prove me wrong and do something this season, I hope he does!

Agree with the sentiment, but naughty word removed nonetheless.

This post has been edited by Tennie: Aug 8 2008, 12:06 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

^^

Nope Mancini has been pretty cr@p last season. It's why they weren't as keen on extending his contract as say Aquilani's.

Ronaldinho was bad last season, coz he didn't play much. I still if you compare contributions Ronaldinho will come out trumps.

But the issue here is Ivanovic. I don't think Juve have much of a chance if Milan do want to get Ivanovic. We'd probably exchange/sell Brocchi and Simic somewhere and get Ivanovic. But the question is, whether Ivanovic is much better than Kaladze.


Vidic? I think by himself he is mediocre. But with Ferdinand, they cover each other's deficiencies. Ferdinand's 'flashiness' is compensated by Vidic's no-nonsense approach. And Vidic's rough edges are taken care of by Ferdinand.

Ivanovic is tall, and I think strong in the air. That's good. I like the idea of someone who can outpower opponents. But how much can he improve? And can he partner Maldini/Bonera if Nesta is injured? I haven't seen him play so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Giancarlo]

For one, Mancini gets roughly eight goals a season. That's pretty lousy for the position he's supposed to fill... and he played regularly. Ronaldinho only played 17 times last season and he scored eight times... that's a bad season for him. LOL. He still manages to score quite regularly even only playing less.

The season before that he scored 21 times. Ronaldinho by far is the better player compared to Mancini, and even if you take in the last season into account. Mancini is slow and lazy. They weren't very keen on renewing his contract.

I think Ivanovic will have more energy and I think he's great for his respective national team. He's quite tall indeed. I say we just go for a player with great potential so we can form him well. If we get a player already developed there is a chance he might not fit into Milan's system.

[Giancarlo]

Okay anyways... I hope I won't get anybody mad with a double post... but there is some news on Ivanovic. It appears he has chosen Milan, over Juventus. A bit of a surprise and he has also asked if he could be transferred.

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=91246

BUT... Calciomercato released this statement. They can be reliable depending on their source.

"Il serbo ha chiesto al Chelsea di andare via e ha scelto i rossoneri. Ora si aspetta la risposta per il prestito. Missione a Londra per chiudere lunedì. (Gazzetta dello sport) "

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Gazzetta is the source. This says Milan will try to close the deal at or by Monday on a loan deal.

We shall see. If this is the case, I'll be happy. It'll be important to shore up the defense. So far, when I've seen things like this, they have happened this transfer season unlike previous transfer seasons where rumors amounted to nothing. But again, we shall see.

Tuttomercatoweb (pro-Milan) has released something similar: http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?a...d&id=117084

This basically states that Ivanovic is leaning towards Milan and that because of the communication open between Milan and Chelsea, any loan will favor Milan, not juve. Apparently we'll pay 2 million for the loan, and could buy him for a possible 12 million later on depending if this guy does well.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 8 2008, 08:19 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

I hope this is true. That would, without any opposition among forum members, make this a 5 star transfer window right??

[armiss]

GOOOD

[Giancarlo]

I hope this is true. That would, without any opposition among forum members, make this a 5 star transfer window right??

We shall see. At this point, I think he's the right person for our defense and I'd give it 4 out of 5 stars. Lacking one star because I'm not super familiar with him, but I hear he's one solid defender.

He's 24 years old, a tall 6'2" (1.88 m), and I hear he's good in the air... people can't really attack our defense for being too old. We'll have two defenders age 26 and 24. The thing about Ivanovic what I like a lot is how versatile he is and how he is consistent in different sections of the defense.

Edit: Guys I don't want to get your hopes up. Just stay modest. I feel when I stay modest things happen. When I hope too much, things backfire.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 8 2008, 08:55 AM

[armiss]

Edit: Guys I don't want to get your hopes up. Just stay modest. I feel when I stay modest things happen. When I hope too much, things backfire.

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[Tennie]

Tuttomercatoweb (pro-Milan) has released something similar: http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?a...d&id=117084

This basically states that Ivanovic is leaning towards Milan and that because of the communication open between Milan and Chelsea, any loan will favor Milan, not juve. Apparently we'll pay 2 million for the loan, and could buy him for a possible 12 million later on depending if this guy does well.

That link says absolutely nothing about open communication between Milan and Chelsea. What it does say is that Milan's been talking to Chelsea about him, not about Shevchenko. That link also doesn't indicate Ivanovic's preferences; it says that Ivanovic is currently in pole position for the rossoneri's reinforcement - ie, that he's top of Milan's list.

[Tennie]

There's a new interview just on tuttomercatoweb with Vlado Borosan, a FIFA agent who works with Ivanovic's agent.

[I know Milan's interested in Ivanovic, but so far there's been no official contact. It's probable, given relations with chelsea, that the matter's being discussed directly with them. The boy's awaiting news on his future because he wants to play with a big club and not sit on the bench, a club like Milan would be good for him. A loan with right to buy would be the most likely and realistic solution: I've read that Juve offered 5 million, which is ridiculous because Chelsea bought him for 12 million in January. I could compare him to a taller Cordoba with the same power and being good with his head: he scores a lot of goals and is a complete player who could also play right back and for 2 years played at the highest level. I'm convinced he's among the top 5 players in Europe in his position, especially among the younger players. Inter and Juve have shown interest (Inter in the last window) but he wants to play. Whoever offers him the best solution for his career - a place in the squad - and good economic conditions, given that he's got a contract of 2.5 million a year, will have him.]

Sì, mi risulta che il Milan sia interessato ad Ivanovic, ma al momento nessuno ci ha ancora contattati ufficialmente": Vlado Borosan, agente FIFA protagonista dei trasferimenti di Zaccardo e Barzagli al Wolfsburg, e socio di Dejan Joksimovic, agente del difensore serbo del Chelsea, ha spiegato in esclusiva a Tuttomercatoweb.com la situazione del centrale, che piace molto ai Rossoneri. "E' probabile che avendo ottimi rapporti con il Chelsea, ne stiano discutendo direttamente prima con la società londinese: il ragazzo sta attendendo novità sul suo futuro, perchè vuole giocare in una grande società e non fare la riserva, quindi un club come il Milan certamente sarebbe gradito" ha spiegato Borosan: sulla possibile valutazione del giocatore, "la soluzione del prestito oneroso con diritto di riscatto sarebbe la più abbordabile e realistica: ho letto che alcuni scrivoni di 5 milioni offerti secondo loro dalla Juventus, sinceramente è una cosa ridicola, visto che il giocatore è stato pagato 12 milioni a gennaio". Curioso poi l'abbinamento fatto con un altro difensore: "Può somigliare ad un Cordoba più alto, con lo stesso scatto, la potenza, la bravura di testa: poi segna molti gol, è un giocatore completo che può fare anche il terzino destro e da due anni si esprime a livelli altissimi. Sono convinto che sia tra i primi 5 giocatori in Europa nel suo ruolo, specie tra i giovani". Al Milan dunque non resta che accaparrarselo, visto la corte delle altre due grandi italiane: "Piace a Juventus ed Inter (l'agente di Mancini, Giorgio De Giorgis, lo aveva trattato ai tempi del Lokomotiv, ndr), ma a lui interessa giocare: chi gli offrirà la miglior soluzione per la sua carriera, ovvero un posto in squadra, e condizioni vantaggiose economicamente, avendo un contratto importante intorno ai 2,5 milioni all'anno, lo avrà".

[m1ke]

I've never seen him play. Will he be a notable improvement over Bonera?

[nuh]

a big one he is very gd and he could do gd with maldini and nesta

[Giancarlo]

That link says absolutely nothing about open communication between Milan and Chelsea. What it does say is that Milan's been talking to Chelsea about him, not about Shevchenko. That link also doesn't indicate Ivanovic's preferences; it says that Ivanovic is currently in pole position for the rossoneri's reinforcement - ie, that he's top of Milan's list.

The first link does... however the second one does indicate Milan is interested and will talk to Chelsea about it.

Also as far as the other source is concerned, it's possible that Milan is talking directly with Chelsea right now. The source I mentioned says that Milan will want to close the deal by monday, so it is possibly that they haven't spoken with the player's agent yet.

His agent also made a good point that a loan with a right to buy is the best possible solution for both sides. Chelsea won't lose a ton of money and Milan won't have to spend 15 million or so to buy him.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 8 2008, 04:56 PM

[whoarethepatriot...]

I've never seen him play. Will he be a notable improvement over Bonera?

I dont think he is better than Bonera. He does seem to be a good defender though