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 Nov 25 2008, 08:10 PM
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Prima Squadra  Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660  |
Pre Wenger, Arsenal were the 3rd biggest team in English football. They are currently, in my opinion, the 4th biggest team in English football. He's not improved them as much as some think.
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Nov 26 2008, 08:34 AM
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Loves Greek Women esp Fay  Group: Moderators Posts: 14,924 Joined: 19-May 06 From: Bangalore,India Member No.: 1,865 |
Pre-Wenger I always thought, Arsenal were among a host of other clubs who could challenge Man U and Liverpool. But he really cut down the gap.
In fact his mistake was in not building from the Invincibles. He let too many people go, and perhaps he was fooled by Fabregas and RvP into thinking anybody he brought up could be that good. I understand these youngsters getting experience, but they're getting the wrong type of experience by running the race only to fail at the last hurdle. You need the kind of experience of Seedorf or a Villa. Great talent, plus knowing what it takes to win. |
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Nov 26 2008, 09:35 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 26 2008, 07:34 AM)  Pre-Wenger I always thought, Arsenal were among a host of other clubs who could challenge Man U and Liverpool. Liverpool weren't that good in the early/mid 90s, it was basically just United. Anywhere from 2nd to 10th was just completely open. |
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Nov 26 2008, 03:41 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 12-February 07 From: Norway Member No.: 3,499 |
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 26 2008, 08:34 AM) Pre-Wenger I always thought, Arsenal were among a host of other clubs who could challenge Man U and Liverpool. But he really cut down the gap. Well I don't consider 3 league trophies and 4 FA Cups as a "cut"... |
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Nov 26 2008, 10:26 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Nov 26 2008, 05:41 PM) Well I don't consider 3 league trophies and 4 FA Cups as a "cut"... Yes, but what about the appeal that Arsenal have today, compared to pre-Wenger era ... Wenger did a lot more than deliver trophies, he is probably the #1 man in Arsenal .. Fans of Arsenal in England think very highly of him. Maybe I just see this side of things and draw my conclusions, but fact is fact and there was no appeal for Arsenal from international fans before Wenger. Just like Chelsea with Mourinho, how the team just bombarded on the EPL. Yet Wenger built a really competitive team and the reason why his Arsenal are suffering is because the team lost so much 1st team players, experienced players. That in my book is the only reason why Arsenal are not up to par with top flight football in England or Europe, sure they are one of the best EPL teams and they beat Milan last year, but what have they got to show for it ? They have the speed, the creativity, the possession game BUT they lack the experience to go for the big prize. I for one hoped that Arsenal would have a great season from the start, but as things stand it wont be easy. I think the EPL is for a lost cause, but if Wenger brings in the big ears .. That would probably drive shock waves up your spine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Conclusions, I believe Wenger to be the reason why Arsenal are at the stature that they are in now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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Nov 26 2008, 10:32 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 12-February 07 From: Norway Member No.: 3,499 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 26 2008, 10:26 PM) I for one hoped that Arsenal would have a great season from the start, but as things stand it wont be easy. I think the EPL is for a lost cause, but if Wenger brings in the big ears .. That would probably drive shock waves up your spine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Conclusions, I believe Wenger to be the reason why Arsenal are at the stature that they are in now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) The big ears? |
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Nov 26 2008, 10:36 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Nov 27 2008, 12:32 AM) The big ears? Yeah .. We've got 7 of them, its about time your team got one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Nov 26 2008, 11:25 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 12-February 07 From: Norway Member No.: 3,499 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 26 2008, 10:36 PM) Yeah .. We've got 7 of them, its about time your team got one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Aah...the only trophy missing from the trophy cabinet...the one we came within 15 minutes of winning in 2006...that one... |
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Nov 27 2008, 01:17 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
I think Wenger has made many mistakes in the last few years but I'm totally with him in that he wants Arsenal to be a healthy organization rather than one with more than a billion in debt... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Nov 27 2008, 05:05 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 6-March 08 From: Canada Member No.: 3,763 |
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Nov 26 2008, 11:25 PM) Aah...the only trophy missing from the trophy cabinet...the one we came within 15 minutes of winning in 2006...that one... that was a disappointing game, very intense... i dint like barca much back then and i was happy to see arsenal eliminate real and juve so i was rooting for you. if it wasnt for that red i think you would have won, seeing as barca wasnt impressive. |
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Nov 27 2008, 10:41 AM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 27 2008, 05:17 AM) I think Wenger has made many mistakes in the last few years but I'm totally with him in that he wants Arsenal to be a healthy organization rather than one with more than a billion in debt... +1. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) This storm will pass, just like all other do. |
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Nov 27 2008, 12:36 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Nov 26 2008, 10:25 PM) Aah...the only trophy missing from the trophy cabinet...the one we came within 15 minutes of winning in 2006...that one... If I ever see Lehmann, I'll punch him for you. That defeat is on him, in my opinion. |
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Nov 27 2008, 02:14 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Sheffield United have won their case to be compensated by West Ham for the whole Tevez affair, it's believed West Ham, who're already in financial trouble, around £40m.
I think it's nowhere near enough. West Ham have been in the EPL 2 years longer than they should have now, which amounts to around £80 tv money, not to mention the extra ticket sales they'd have lost out on if they were in the Championship. So they've probably made near £100m out of it and have to pay £40m back? Not seeing the maths in this one. |
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Nov 27 2008, 04:31 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 12-February 07 From: Norway Member No.: 3,499 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 27 2008, 12:36 PM) If I ever see Lehmann, I'll punch him for you. That defeat is on him, in my opinion. Well, i'd actually blame Henry. He totally bottled that game, wasting a 1-on-1 when we were 1-0 up. If that had been 2-0, then I think Arsenal would have been Champions of europe in 2006. |
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Nov 28 2008, 12:25 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Nov 27 2008, 03:31 PM) Well, i'd actually blame Henry. He totally bottled that game, wasting a 1-on-1 when we were 1-0 up. If that had been 2-0, then I think Arsenal would have been Champions of europe in 2006. Yeah, that was a real bad miss. Still, Lehmann getting sent off that early was so stupid, he was never going to get to that ball. |
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