[Zed.D]

not sure what people want from him

I personally want to see him carry his teammates on his back whey they can't play as a team! to win it for them in these situations. as I said when your teammates are doing their job correctly it's easier to show up and score goals and make the opponent look useless with step overs, etc. how many times did he manage to look like that today?

I don't want to start this Kaka vs. Ronaldo thing again, but I think if Ronaldo was there instead of Kaka in the 2006-07 CL, we wouldn't have won it.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Nov 8 2008, 04:58 PM

[Zed.D]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You must be joking.

Then you talk about regularly? And then about Messi?
Non sense. Ronaldo is 10 times more regular than Messi will ever be. Messi is as regular as Robben.

First of all I didn't put their name in the same sentence i.e. I never said Messi performs regularly but Ronaldo not! I said Messi is 2 years younger and has already shined in many big games, and he has!

Ronaldo is 10 times more regular than Messi will ever be. Messi is as regular as Robben.

You're clearly exaggerating. I don't see a need to argue about that.

But let me mention the fact that Messi spends 1/3 of the season on the sidelines because his injury prone! he doesn't have a great physique like Ronaldo. if he manages to stay away from injuries he will undoubtedly perform with much more consistency (as he has so far this season). it's very hard to be always at 100% when you manage to pick an injury every few months.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Nov 8 2008, 05:07 PM

[dst]

Yes and it was a good goal. Unfortunately when rating players, scoring one goal every now and then and playing shite for the other 95 minutes doesn't usually mean you're any good.

I agree and I've said before that football is not just goals but it sounded funny the way you said it.

I think this big game thing is inaccurate, as far as I know he has a decent record against the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, then he scored in the CL Final, not sure what people want from him to be honest.

I did not say he's not good in big games. What I said is that he's not better than the other greats of this era are in big games...

In any case, I don't think it is the big games these stars need to be good in, we know all too well with Milan that it's easy for players to be really up for it in the big games, but it's against the small teams that we've often struggled against, United rarely have that problem with Ronaldo on there team, he shows up for them games.

It's easy to be up in the big games? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) What are you talking about man? Of course championships are won again the smaller sides but that does in no way mean it's easy to stand out in the big clashes.

Yes United have no problem because CR is there, I did not say otherwise...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I just quoted a smiley) I don't rate Berbatov and I like Tevez... I find it equally weird that you think the opposite but... well... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Decent game? yes. decent game for someone who is to win all the individual awards in one month's time, someone who scored 42 goals last season, someone who is considered by many the best player in world right now, etc.? IMO not at all. he was average like most of his teammates.

What does that have to do with anything? These awards are for least season! He was the best player in Europe last season and he deserves them...

And we're talking about now, not 5 years later! I say if he's that good why he fails to make an impact in big games regularly?

Alright then, about now... what is impact for you? Just goals and assists? Cause he was the main danger for Arsenal's defense and he kept their fans on their feet the whole game... I cannot name a single player that has shined in every big match he's played in

Besides Messi is two years younger than Ronaldo and has already shined in many big games.

I would not say many but yeah. Messi does not shine in every big game either though... no one does and that's what I'm saying.

[kurtsimonw]

It's easy to be up in the big games? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) What are you talking about man? Of course championships are won again the smaller sides but that does in no way mean it's easy to stand out in the big clashes.

Maybe that's not a saying you know about or something? To be "up for the big games" means that' it's easy to be motivated for them and not so much the smaller teams, we see this all the time. I'm not saying it's easier to stand out in them, I just think putting great displays in against crappy sides is just as important (if not more) than playing great in the big games. Arsenal are a good example of it this season, it's all well and good beating United, but it ultimately means nothing when you've lost to Stoke.

[dst]

Maybe that's not a saying you know about or something? To be "up for the big games" means that' it's easy to be motivated for them and not so much the smaller teams, we see this all the time. I'm not saying it's easier to stand out in them, I just think putting great displays in against crappy sides is just as important (if not more) than playing great in the big games. Arsenal are a good example of it this season, it's all well and good beating United, but it ultimately means nothing when you've lost to Stoke.

I knew there was something I did not get right cause it did not make sense.

Important? Surely, I'm with you. That's not what I said though. I only talked about how I rate players... and the way I think, for example, scoring 7 goals against a mediocre team is nothing compared to standing out, with no goal or assist maybe, in a CL/WC semifinal...

And that's why (because he does not shine in big clashes more than others do) I said I don't consider CR to be better than Kaka, Messi or whoever... he undoubtedly had the best season of them all in the last one but that in my opinion, does not mean he's better overall (just like it wouldn't for anyone else).

This post has been edited by dst: Nov 8 2008, 05:23 PM

[Zed.D]

What does that have to do with anything? These awards are for least season! He was the best player in Europe last season and he deserves them...

But he will be the best player in the world for 12 months! he has to live up to that tag!

Alright then, about now... what is impact for you? Just goals and assists? Cause he was the main danger for Arsenal's defense and he kept their fans on their feet the whole game... I cannot name a single player that has shined in every big match he's played in

As a player who will be judged the best in the world based on numbers (before everything you hear people say 'he has scored 42 goals, wow, he is the best'), yes, I expect him to score goals and win the games single handedly when it matters.

And I don't say he must perform in EVERY signle big game of his career! it's obvious no one can do that. but I think Ronaldo is far from a player who's performed in 'most' of big games. remember he's at the peak of his career...

I would not say many but yeah. Messi does not shine in every big game either though... no one does and that's what I'm saying.

Again, I never said Messi has performed in EVERY big game. my point was that age does not always matter.

[Zed.D]

Maybe that's not a saying you know about or something? To be "up for the big games" means that' it's easy to be motivated for them and not so much the smaller teams, we see this all the time. I'm not saying it's easier to stand out in them, I just think putting great displays in against crappy sides is just as important (if not more) than playing great in the big games. Arsenal are a good example of it this season, it's all well and good beating United, but it ultimately means nothing when you've lost to Stoke.

I don't think so. there are competitions like World Cup, Euros and Champions League. these are won by big-game players (please don't start the 'he scored in the final' thing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) he did alright in the CL [he certainly did not have amazing, jaw dropping performances there] but people would have NEVER said he is the best in the world if only the CL performances were to be considered). these are the competitions people will mostly remember big players with, not league games.

Just my opinion.

[dst]

But he will be the best player in the world for 12 months! he has to live up to that tag!

What tag? He was the best player OF LAST SEASON! Does he have to be the best player for the rest of his career to prove he was worth of that award?
And if you think he has, then what about Kaka? What about Cannavaro, Ronaldinho and Shevchenko? They all were mediocre the season after they won the award does that mean they did not deserve it? (Well Deco should have won it instead of Sheva but anyway...)

As a player who will be judged the best in the world based on numbers (before everything you hear people say 'he has scored 42 goals, wow, he is the best'), yes, I expect him to score goals and win the games single handedly when it matters.

You make absolutely no sense to me! Whoever wins this award wins it for what he has done not for what he will do! Based on your logic, the same should apply to teams too and we did not deserve to win the CL in 06/07 because the next season we were eliminated in the Last 16 Round and finished 5th in the league... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And I don't say he must perform in EVERY signle big game of his career! it's obvious no one can do that. but I think Ronaldo is far from a player who's performed in 'most' of big games. remember he's at the peak of his career...

He is in his peak? He's only 23! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Again, I never said Messi has performed in EVERY big game. my point was that age does not always matter.

I did not say you did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Nov 8 2008, 05:39 PM

[dst]

I don't think so. there are competitions like World Cup, Euros and Champions League. these are won by big-game players (please don't start the 'he scored in the final' thing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) he did alright in the CL [he certainly did not have amazing, jaw dropping performances there] but people would have NEVER said he is the best in the world if only the CL performances were to be considered). these are the competitions people will mostly remember big players with, not league games.

Just my opinion.

I understand you think there is someone who deserves the Ballon d'Or more than CR!? Who is he?

[Tennie]

Gosh. I should get out my popcorn! Interesting discussion here.

Congrats to Locke on Arsenal's win. Sounds like it was a good game!

[kurtsimonw]

he did alright in the CL [he certainly did not have amazing, jaw dropping performances there]

Ronaldo offers one thing that alot of top players don't though, consistancy. Yeah, he may not be amazing in all the big games, but he's very, very rarely bad in them either, neither is he bad against the easier teams. He finished top screr in England, the Champions League and the World, so he's doing it in all the games, big or small. In my opinion he's the been by far the best player in the World in 2008, if he doesn't win World Player of the Year it's a joke.

Players are remebered for what they do in the big games? Maybe so. But for me the CL doesn't hold much weight, it's a fixed competition so the big teams can always reach the latter stages so the 'stars' can show what they can do. It will never be as important as a league title for me, because there's no fixing, you all play the same teams and have to keep a level of consistancy for 8 straight months, not just a few games every now and then.

[Zed.D]

What tag? He was the best player OF LAST SEASON! Does he have to be the best player for the rest of his career to prove he was worth of that award?
And if you think he has, then what about Kaka? What about Cannavaro, Ronaldinho and Shevchenko? They all were mediocre the season after they won the award does that mean they did not deserve it? (Well Deco should have won it instead of Sheva but anyway...)

BUT HE IS YET TO WIN THOSE AWARDS!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

It makes no sense to me that he should stop performing his wonders because last season's performances will win the awards for him! after January it's a different story...

You make absolutely no sense to me! Whoever wins this award wins it for what he does not for what he will do! Based on your logic, the same should apply to teams too and we should be stripped of our 07/07 CL win because the next season we were eliminated in the Last 16 Round and finished 5th in the league... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Your logic sucks! I don't know what that's got to do with what I said!

And I said people see things this way. they judge him based on the number of his goals. they don't care the number of his assist is unimpressive for example...

All I'm saying is that as the best player in the world he is not good enough in big games and today he confirmed this.

He is in his peak? He's only 23! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

He is at his peak! we can't say he will become better in the future because we are not prophets! we can only talk about past and present.

[Zed.D]

I understand you think there is someone who deserves the Ballon d'Or more than CR!? Who is he?

Screw you! I never said that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Nov 8 2008, 05:56 PM

[acid911]

Gee, I go out for a couple of hours, and we have the 'discussion of the month'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You all know my opinion of CR, so no sense in repeating it. He's an immense player, and also immensely arrogant. But all said and done, do I enjoy watching him play? Yeah. Very much. Am I a fan? No, thank you, please drive through. Besides, it's not like he's 32 or something. There are years ahead of him. So we can wait for the final verdict till then. Carry on, guys...

Oh, and congrats to Locke for the win. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) Good, crunchy match! Here's an extra special pitcher to celebrate:

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[acid911]

Gosh. I should get out my popcorn! Interesting discussion here.
Congrats to Locke on Arsenal's win. Sounds like it was a good game!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) It was. I enjoyed both the game, and then win!