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 Jun 16 2008, 10:13 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali  Group: Helpers Posts: 3,371 Joined: 30-October 05 Member No.: 782  |
(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Kurt you doubt the ability of next generation of Italian players. Italy won the recent U23 tournament and that squad did not even include Acquafresca, Rossi, Montolivio, Criscito and Santacroce among established stars such as Nocerino, Giovinco, Cigarini, De Silvestre etc etc etc
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Jun 16 2008, 10:16 PM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 16 2008, 11:55 PM) Exactly, it's not total football because we don't call it that way, but if take a close look you see that it's exactly the definition of total football, especially up front (the permutations between the striker and wingers, Barcelona, la Roma and many other team play like that.  Exactly!?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) My point was that certain characteristics might confuse when it comes to the status of a subject... I mean that while there's great cover-up in football today that does not mean there's 'Total Football' (the way Cruijff meant it) played from any team... same with 70's Brazil. In my opinion their football was distinctively different to Cruijff's Holland's football. Anyway... I don't see us getting anywhere with this so there's no point going on. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jun 16 2008, 10:22 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 16 2008, 09:13 PM) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Kurt you doubt the ability of next generation of Italian players. Italy won the recent U23 tournament and that squad did not even include Acquafresca, Rossi, Montolivio, Criscito and Santacroce among established stars such as Nocerino, Giovinco, Cigarini, De Silvestre etc etc etc Forgive me for not getting excited about a tournement that involved Chile, Japan, USA and the Ivory Coast. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Did Holland and France even take any of their decent players either? |
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Jun 16 2008, 10:35 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 17 2008, 12:22 AM) Forgive me for not getting excited about a tournement that involved Chile, Japan, USA and the Ivory Coast. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 17 2008, 12:22 AM) Did Holland and France even take any of their decent players either? Who would they take, Gomis!?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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Jun 16 2008, 10:38 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Moderators Posts: 2,700 Joined: 22-October 05 From: US of A Member No.: 703 |
us 8 - 0 barbados
i know it's barbados...but man...8-0 |
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Jun 16 2008, 11:56 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
If memory serves, the French did field a relatively strong lineup for the Toulon tournament. I'm with whoearthepatriots on this one: the kids were good and half the 'first team' for that age group wasn't even there. What I understand from the bits and pieces I see about the U19 and U17 age groups indicates that there are some pretty remarkable talents in those ages. So really, I'm not too terribly worried about Italy's future. (especially since in about 6 years, young Christian Maldini should hopefully start showing up in the U19s. if he can slide tackle as well as his kid brother, we'll be in good shape) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/96.gif)
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Jun 17 2008, 12:12 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
I think it's difficult to project further than 6 years into the future, as the players that will be coming into the NTs at that point will only be around 16 now. And it's hard to say how these players will fit into a top league at that age. I think all the usual suspects will still probably be at the top though.
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Jun 17 2008, 12:43 AM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 6-April 08 Member No.: 3,827 |
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 16 2008, 10:16 PM) Exactly!?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) My point was that certain characteristics might confuse when it comes to the status of a subject... I mean that while there's great cover-up in football today that does not mean there's 'Total Football' (the way Cruijff meant it) played from any team... same with 70's Brazil. In my opinion their football was distinctively different to Cruijff's Holland's football. Anyway... I don't see us getting anywhere with this so there's no point going on. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What Cruijff was all about the movement (I'm a winger but move to the centre to disturb the balance of the other team) in fact it's not Cruijff who supposedly invented total football but Ajax school. But you're probably right , this is going nowhere ... QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 16 2008, 11:56 PM) If memory serves, the French did field a relatively strong lineup for the Toulon tournament. I'm with whoearthepatriots on this one: the kids were good and half the 'first team' for that age group wasn't even there. What I understand from the bits and pieces I see about the U19 and U17 age groups indicates that there are some pretty remarkable talents in those ages. So really, I'm not too terribly worried about Italy's future. (especially since in about 6 years, young Christian Maldini should hopefully start showing up in the U19s. if he can slide tackle as well as his kid brother, we'll be in good shape) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/96.gif) No, France's player were actually the real U21 while the other nations field up there Olympics team (that's why they were always beaten physically), so technically it wasn't their strongest line up ... I think their Olympic team was playing a tournament in Holland, in fact I saw a game between France and Holland (ended 2-0 for the French) at the same time as the Toulon tournament! |
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Jun 17 2008, 01:02 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
No one knows what'll happen in the future. Just sit down and watch it happen... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 17 2008, 02:43 AM) What Cruijff was all about the movement (I'm a winger but move to the centre to disturb the balance of the other team) in fact it's not Cruijff who supposedly invented total football but Ajax school. But you're probably right , this is going nowhere ... I guess we've been talking about different things all along. I'm not asking who invented it, I'm just saying that Cruijff's Holland played the... total 'Total Football'! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) 70's Brazil had some aspects of it in their game but if the former is what is then the latter is not what it is... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) does that make sense? This post has been edited by dst: Jun 17 2008, 01:03 AM |
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Jun 17 2008, 03:05 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 6-April 08 Member No.: 3,827 |
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 17 2008, 01:02 AM) I guess we've been talking about different things all along. I'm not asking who invented it, I'm just saying that Cruijff's Holland played the... total 'Total Football'! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) 70's Brazil had some aspects of it in their game but if the former is what is then the latter is not what it is... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) does that make sense? No! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) From Cruijff definition of total football it seems to me that nowadays everyone plays that way, and especially the 70's Brazil! Oh and I know you weren't talking about who invented it, I just wanted to say that because the aggorant Cruijff thinks he did and always seems to take credit for it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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Jun 19 2008, 07:28 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Some results from last night (and the night before).
Uruguay 6 – 0 Peru Forlan 8' [1-0] Forlan 38' (pen.) [2-0] Forlan 57' [3-0] Bueno 61' [4-0] Bueno 69' [5-0] Abreu 90' [6-0] Bolivia 4 – 2 Paraguay Botero 23' [1-0] GarcÃa 25' [2-0] Santa Cruz 66' [2-1] Botero 70' [3-1] Moreno Martins 76' [4-1] Valdez 82' [4-2] Ecuador 0 – 0 Colombia Brazil 0 – 0 Argentina This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Jun 19 2008, 07:34 PM |
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Jun 19 2008, 07:30 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
Bolivia beat Paraguay...? And 4-2 at that... What a shame. I'm a fan of Santa Cruz. He is too good for them.
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Jun 19 2008, 07:31 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
(But didn't Paraguay recently beat Brazil?)
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Jun 19 2008, 07:35 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 19 2008, 06:31 PM) (But didn't Paraguay recently beat Brazil?) Yes, with 10 men as well. QUOTE CONMEBOL STANDINGS Paraguay - played 6 - points 13 Argentina - played 6 - points 11 Colombia - played 6 - points 10 Brazil - played 6 - points 9 Uruguay - played 6 - points 8 Venezuela - played 5 - points 7 Chile - played 5 - points 7 Ecuador - played 6 - points 5 Bolivia - played 6 - points 4 Peru - played 6 - points 3 -Top 4 teams qualify straight for the 2010 World Cup Finals -5th placed team has a two-legged playoff vs CONCACAF team (North/Central America) This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Jun 19 2008, 07:36 PM |
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Jun 19 2008, 07:45 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 19 2008, 12:31 PM) (But didn't Paraguay recently beat Brazil?) That makes this result even harder to bear. |
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