EDIT: Long post/rant on England. Skip if you feel you must. (IMG:
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 21 2008, 05:19 AM)

Saw the England match. I was very disappointed to say the least. I know it's only Capello's fifth match, but he's picked in his first team, more or less the classiest players England have to offer.
Sorry kurt, but I thought Gaz Baz was pretty lousy. England were getting killed on the counter, and not really launching much counters of their own. (A Capello team, that cannot counter attack??!! (IMG:
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The trouble Capello has got himself into now is that players like Ashley Young and Joleon Lescott, who should clearly be in the England squad, have been given no time at all on the field as they aren't even being picked. So now if we're playing poorly in qualifying, he can't go and use these guys since he just doesn't know how they'll play for England. Poor management, I have to say.
Yes, Barry was poor. But he wasn't able to play HIS game unfortunately. He is the most complete midfielder we have on the team and I really believe that. His defensive play in superior to that of any other English midfielder.. but that means people falsely label him a DM. He finished 3rd in the EPL assist table last season and finished with 9 goals.. and people call him a DM?
It's quite clearly Capello's system that doesn't allow for counter attacking football. Barry does just fine at club level, as does Gerrard and Lampard.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 21 2008, 05:19 AM)

I think the problem here seems to be having two box to box mid-fielder being asked to provide creativity. They need an orchestrator and a true game breaker, And for God's sake, when the only striker with any creativity and technique seems to be Rooney, stop playing him as a fantasista. Defoe doesn't stand a prayer of scoring against any sort of organized defence. Or maybe it was just yesterday. He was so darn predictable.
I just didn't get the game play. Without pacy players in the team, you can't expect to play counter attacking football. But without any true orchestrating mid-fielders like Deco/Pirlo/Xavi you can't play build-up football either.
I think asking Lampard to be creative is a bit of an ask. He does pick up his fair share of assist, but he's not exactly an inch perfect type of passer. Barry is a must, and this isn't me being biased, I couldn't care less who the players play for, I want the best for England. Rooney is an awkward one, I'm not sure he's the greatest lone striker ever, but that's the only available spot on the team for him really.
I agree with this.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 21 2008, 05:19 AM)

The plus point was to see England fight back, with some amount of purpose, than just seem to throw people in the hope that something would happen.
Thought Beckham was very good. Switching play well etc. Personally I thought, where Capello got it wrong was in bringing in a narrow formation and assuming that his fullbacks would provide flank support. Czechs launched some nice attacks exploiting the space the fullbacks left.
I would have gone for this...
Brown---Rio---Terry---Cole
-----Barry----Hargreaves
---Lamps---Stevie----Cole--
----------Rooney----------
Without the double pivot, England will get killed.
We did fight back towards the end, and for me this is because they stoped playing Capello football. You can't put the likes of Joe Cole, Gerrard and Lampard in a team and expect to play posession football. That's like telling a sprinter to pace himself, they just don't play like that.
Beckham was alright, and our opening goal came from a Beckham set-peice. I really believe that's the only reason he's in the team though, for his set plays. And again, not to be biased, but we have a perfectly good two footed left winger in Ashley Young. The left side has always been a major problem for England since McManaman finished and now Young has come onto the scene and been amazing for us. He's not just the winger type player we need, but he's also great with free-kicks, whether he's crossing them or going for goal. Villa lead the league in goals from set-peices last season. We have Ashley Young as our right footed option and Gareth Barry as our left. Stick them both in the damn team and stop lettin Gerrard take control of everything!
I think the full-backs can give support, if they're the right guys. Wes Brown is a decent defender, and to his credit did a good job getting forward yesterday.. but he's not going to be able to do that every game.
I'd go with..
----------------------- James ------------------------
Richards ---- Ferdinand -- Terry ---- Ashley Cole
--------------- Carrick ---- Barry ------------------
Joe Cole ----------- Gerrard -------------- Young
----------------------Rooney -----------------------
-James is the best with got. Not good enough, but he's our best.
-Ashley Cole and Micah Richards know how to get forward and they can both defend well.
-Carrick and Barry in my opinion are the two most vital players that Capello can pick. They can both win the ball back and have great awareness so they can create chances from nothing and don't give up the ball too easily.
-Gerrards best role, in my opinion, is when he plays behind Torres for Liverpool, and it works very well. Hopefully it can cotinue here for England.
-Young and Cole both good with the ball, able to beat defenders and both score enough goals to pose a big threat.
-Not so sure Rooney is best on his own up there, but with 2 'DMs' Gerrard can join in and his ariel ability should compensate for Rooneys height.
If we can find a keeper, then this time will be fine in my view. We'd still have guys like Beckham, Lampard, Crouch, Hargreaves, etc. on the bench to change things if all isn't well.. At least we agree on the formation, Jack, and most the players. (IMG:
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This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 21 2008, 05:49 AM