[redbabies]

@ Porty

Uefa Cup or Champions League we still need signings to fight for Seria A.

And TBH, I dont think it will affect that much our transfer campaign.

Only that there might be any player who might refuse us (but I doubt it) coz we play in Uefa Cup (far from it).

But still, Dinho signed for Barca when they weren't in Champions, than Ribery signed for Bayern when they were in Uefa Cup.

I want to say that, if we wanna sign, WE WILL SIGN!

[m1ke]

I think he meant that it may affect who we're able to get in the summer. Milan used to be the club famed for giving top players a real shot at winning the CL (only reason Ronaldo joined us in my opinion).

We haven't done particularly well in Serie A in recent years, and if we're in the Uefa Cup as well, I guess some players may think twice.

[Portman]

@ Porty

Uefa Cup or Champions League we still need signings to fight for Seria A.

And TBH, I dont think it will affect that much our transfer campaign.

Only that there might be any player who might refuse us (but I doubt it) coz we play in Uefa Cup (far from it).

But still, Dinho signed for Barca when they weren't in Champions, than Ribery signed for Bayern when they were in Uefa Cup.

I want to say that, if we wanna sign, WE WILL SIGN!

Ibrahimovic didn't join us because we were playing the 3rd pre of CL. We didn't have CL confirmation... so he decided to join Inter. And we lost a world-class player. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

But still, Dinho signed for Barca when they weren't in Champions, than Ribery signed for Bayern when they were in Uefa Cup.

But which teams did these players leave? I believe PSG were a UEFA Cup team at the time, so all R10 was doing was swapping UEFA Cup for UEFA Cup, but playing on a better team. Same goes for Ribery, but he knew Bayern would return to the top quickly as they have alot less competition in the league than Milan do.

[redbabies]

Ibrahimovic didn't join us because we were playing the 3rd pre of CL. We didn't have CL confirmation... so he decided to join Inter. And we lost a world-class player.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

that was a different case.
at that time we had a chance of ending up in Serie B.
But still if our management wouldn't have other problems, and if they would really want him, they would sign him.

all I'm trying to say is that Milan were more concentrated on other issues rather than transfers, coz it wasn't the time to think about these things.

But which teams did these players leave? I believe PSG were a UEFA Cup team at the time, so all R10 was doing was swapping UEFA Cup for UEFA Cup, but playing on a better team. Same goes for Ribery, but he knew Bayern would return to the top quickly as they have alot less competition in the league than Milan do.

1. Which team would Gomez, Thiago Neves, Alves leave?
2. Dinho at that time believe it or not was so close to signing for Man Utd that he even went to Old Trafford, met with Ferguson, and was almost a Man Utd player.
But then Barca came with a better plan and I can assume offered more money, and the deal with Man Utd failed.

So, its not all about Uefa or Champions. Even though I hate to talk about Uefa since WE WILL NOT BE THERE! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

This post has been edited by redbabies: Mar 29 2008, 07:18 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

I think this season we need a world-class forward and creative midfielder as well as a good CB and young quality subs! It's not regular transfer activity but it's far from being a revolution!

I think if we do this then next season we'll be great! BUT, next summer the priority will be to find two great fullbacks! The Milan with Cafu and Serginho cannot be compared to the current one... If we do this then we'll be unstoppable!

But I guess it will only remain a dream... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

I wont cross this post with ease. This is it. Brief and true. Excellent post, as usual.

Those of you who follow stuff in Croatia -- what's the latest on where Luka Modric is likely to go? I still like him!

Modric? Hmh, Lyon, Barca, Chelsea, Bayern. Probably it'll be something unexpected. I hope Milan. Chances are..about 5%. But after the EC, if he stays unattached, he could be our target.

[MizNelson]

After looking at some of the proposed lineups for next season, I don't understand why people want Kalac and Fiori (huh?) to stay while Dida is automatically the one who should leave.

[Portman]

that was a different case.
at that time we had a chance of ending up in Serie B.
But still if our management wouldn't have other problems, and if they would really want him, they would sign him.

No. It wasn't different.

We were playing Red Star away (2nd leg) and in the same day Inter finished the deal.

Later, Galliani and Berlusconi confirmed Ibrahimovic would be a Milan player if we had the CL confirmation earlier.

[whoarethepatriot...]

After looking at some of the proposed lineups for next season, I don't understand why people want Kalac and Fiori (huh?) to stay while Dida is automatically the one who should leave.

It would be for the best if all three of them left. That said Kalac is decent as a backup for next year, although i would prefer Dida to go and Kalac too

[Bluesummers]

Gomez is a rising star. I agree with you that we need to invest on him.

I dont understand our management. If they fail to bring some top-class players this summer, I'm scared they'll loose fans.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

we've already lost a lot of fans if you didn't notice. In the summer here in canada i saw so many people with kaka jersey or ac milan jersey; now its all c.ronaldo or man u.

[Fillipo Simone]

After looking at some of the proposed lineups for next season, I don't understand why people want Kalac and Fiori (huh?) to stay while Dida is automatically the one who should leave.

Probably cause they think Dida is the only one who would mind be considered as No. 2. But I don't think we should force or wish players to go. We only should players to join and add up the squad.

[han2503]

@ Porty

Uefa Cup or Champions League we still need signings to fight for Seria A.

And TBH, I dont think it will affect that much our transfer campaign.

Only that there might be any player who might refuse us (but I doubt it) coz we play in Uefa Cup (far from it).

But still, Dinho signed for Barca when they weren't in Champions, than Ribery signed for Bayern when they were in Uefa Cup.

I want to say that, if we wanna sign, WE WILL SIGN!

Exactly the onbly reason why we haven't signed any great players excluding Pato is because we didn't want to sign anyone. Not because players rejected us, we have the money, we play in a top league and we are Milan.

And these days if you show a player the right ammount of $$$$ then he will sign.

It's just us trying to be greedy keep all the money and still expect to win.

Fact is with the squad we have we are not good enough

I personally am expecting these signings to happen:

Top quality keeper - it all starts with a great keeper and we just don't have that, if we don't get a great keeper then we might as well not bother to sign anyone else

Top quality defender - we have no one that can partner Nesta, Paolo is going to retire next season and we can't keep playing Kaladze, he's just a sorry excuse for a defender

Zambrotta - this is one player that I absolutely want to play for Milan, we should have gotten him 2 seasons ago but this summer we have to get him, he can play on both sides and can even play as a winger if we are really desperate

Midfield back ups for both Pirlo and Kaka

Top quality defensive mid - De Rossi or Flamini come to mind. Rino has just been woeful this season and Ambro aside for his arial technique has been nothing short of disasterous, both don't have the legs to play like they once did especially Rino.

Top quality striker (Benzema/Eto'o)

Replacement for Gila - I'm one of the few on here who has backed him all the way and I will keep backing him as long as he is putting that shirt on but I think we all know that he will never be to Milan what he was to Parma, and maybe he will get back his form if he goes somewhere else and we will say "oh we should have kept him" but I don't think that will happen while he's at Milan. In the interest of both parties I think it would be good to part ways, maybe give him to either Fiorentina or Roma and exchance him for one of their players (Mutu if we send him to Fiorentina would go as a direct swap and we wouldn't have to think about getting a replacement for him with that deal)

And it goes without saying that guys like Brocchi, Favalli, Emerson, Serginho, Cafu and Pippo should be released

The least 3 I know they've been great for the club but there comes a time where you just can't let imotions and past glory get in the way of future success and this is definately that time

[Jack Sparrow]

@han2503:

Like I said earlier: Cafu, Sergio and Pippo are a non-issue for me. Simply because they just want to be part of the team, and when used judiciously still contribute heck of a lot.

I don't think they've been used as excuses for not getting a player either. If so we could have had Cafu and Bonera, and never brought Oddo.

What worries me is our reluctance to buy players, in the mid-field. Earlier in the glory days of Carlo (this season by the way is his first 'failure' , which is why I still don't say he should go...1 failure in 7 years ain't so bad), we would always...always win the battle in the midfield....


Take a look at this mid-field...

---Rino--Andy--Seedorf -------Rino----Andy----Ambro---
-----------Rui---------- ----------Kaka--------Seedorf---


Now theoretically, our current mid-field should be stronger. But I think, believe it or not, this mid-field places way too much work load on Pirlo. Pirlo is not a shirker. But what he is a swiss clock. Or like a metronome. Give him space, and he'll give you brilliance all day, every day...tick tock tick tock. But when he's being manmarked like heck, and Rino's not got his back anymore, there's little he can do. He doesn't have a higher gear see? He's just always consistent. He's not like say a Zidane or even a Del Piero(in his heyday)

In the earlier mid-field, we had Seedorf close to Pirlo as a creative option open for Andy (instead of Rino and Ambro) and then Rui as well.

Now here we have Kaka, who unlike Rui is I'm sorry to say not too good with tight spaces(one of the reasons he doesn't make my top 4 list of current Milan players (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). So now this I think is why Carletto plays Seedorf , so upfront with the 2DMs instead of in the centre mid per se. So that Seedorf can do something else, when Kaka is man marked tight. Or even pull people off Kaka (something Gila and Seedorf do rather well).

Now the problem is neither Seedorf nor Kaka have the vision that Rui did. In those days we had both Rui and Pirlo with that divine play making vision. Now it's just Andy.


I've always said that Kaka was the thrusting tip of the spear nothing more. The impetus needs to come from elsewhere.


So while this might seem wierd....I don't care about getting new goalkeepers. And Kaladze can stay or go, Bonera can partner Nesta.

My choices:

Fullback: Zambrotta, one young Pato of the fullback world
CM: Aquilani/Cigarini, Dessena/Montolivo, Neves (in case you want a Kaka replacement)
Attack: Somebody who likes playing in tight spaces. No one better than Ronaldo, but I haven't seen enough of Gomez. Berbatov would be nice too.
I suppose Borriello is coming in. Don't know enough of him though.

Out:

Gourcuff: Loaned to Ajax (please...this is very important)
Brocchi: Sold to Fiorentina + cash for Montolivio (yeah right (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )
Favalli: Retires hopefully. He's really been a good buy for an old Bosman transfer. And I'd hate to have to release him

Gila: Unless we really are going to let him play as the free roaming penalty box striker he was in Parma, he should go. This converting him into a target man, so he holds up the ball, and pulls defenders off shite, is not working. hes not even making the Azzuri.

[littlechris]

Exactly the onbly reason why we haven't signed any great  players excluding Pato is because we didn't want to sign anyone. Not because players rejected us, we have the money, we play in a top league and we are Milan.

And these days if you show a player the right ammount of $$$$ then he will sign.

It's just us trying to be greedy keep all the money and still expect to win.

Fact is with the squad we have we are not good enough

I personally am expecting these signings to happen:

Top quality keeper - it all starts with a great keeper and we just don't have that, if we don't get a great keeper then we might as well not bother to sign anyone else

Top quality defender - we have no one that can partner Nesta, Paolo is going to retire next season and we can't keep playing Kaladze, he's just a sorry excuse for a defender

Zambrotta - this is one player that I absolutely want to play for Milan, we should have gotten him 2 seasons ago but this summer we have to get him, he can play on both sides and can even play as a winger if we are really desperate

Midfield back ups for both Pirlo and Kaka

Top quality defensive mid - De Rossi or Flamini come to mind. Rino has just been woeful this season and Ambro aside for his arial technique has been nothing short of disasterous, both don't have the legs to play like they once did especially Rino.

Top quality striker (Benzema/Eto'o)

Replacement for Gila - I'm one of the few on here who has backed him all the way and I will keep backing him as long as he is putting that shirt on but I think we all know that he will never be to Milan what he was to Parma, and maybe he will get back his form if he goes somewhere else and we will say "oh we should have kept him" but I don't think that will happen while he's at Milan. In the interest of both parties I think it would be good to part ways, maybe give him to either Fiorentina or Roma and exchance him for one of their players (Mutu if we send him to Fiorentina would go as a direct swap and we wouldn't have to think about getting a replacement for him with that deal)

And it goes without saying that guys like Brocchi, Favalli, Emerson, Serginho, Cafu and Pippo should be released

The least 3 I know they've been great for the club but there comes a time where you just can't let imotions and past glory get in the way of future success and this is definately that time

I agree with you completely but old player like zambrotta should not be injected into the team again. Lahm is a good option he is younger and versatile also. Barzagli is younger and better than kaladze. why not sign him? Diego or neves should replace some aging player in the midfield and back up for kaka, either Flamini or xabi Alonso will be a good addition in the defencive midfield area. Benzima or gomez most be included in the attack.
CAFU, FAVALLI, SIMIC, BROCHII, EMERSON, SERGINHO, AND INZAGHI should be living by now. MALDIN should retire with honour and GILARDINO if there is no right offer, he can be included in deals like offering him and cash to lyon or stuggart for BENZIMA or GOMEZ respectively. goucruff should be loan out for more playing time.
There are many players that meet our demand if only we will sign them. Stingy galliani he spend less and want to win more with wareout old soldires.

[Fillipo Simone]

@han2503:

Like I said earlier: Cafu, Sergio and Pippo are a non-issue for me. Simply because they just want to be part of the team, and when used judiciously still contribute heck of a lot.

I don't think they've been used as excuses for not getting a player either. If so we could have had Cafu and Bonera, and never brought Oddo.

What worries me is our reluctance to buy players, in the mid-field. Earlier in the glory days of Carlo (this season by the way is his first 'failure' , which is why I still don't say he should go...1 failure in 7 years ain't so bad), we would always...always win the battle in the midfield....
Take a look at this mid-field...

---Rino--Andy--Seedorf                            -------Rino----Andy----Ambro---
-----------Rui----------                                ----------Kaka--------Seedorf---
Now theoretically, our current mid-field should be stronger. But I think, believe it or not, this mid-field places way too much work load on Pirlo. Pirlo is not a shirker. But what he is a swiss clock. Or like a metronome. Give him space, and he'll give you brilliance all day, every day...tick tock tick tock. But when he's being manmarked like heck, and Rino's not got his back anymore, there's little he can do. He doesn't have a higher gear see? He's just always consistent. He's not like say a Zidane or even a Del Piero(in his heyday)

In the earlier mid-field, we had Seedorf close to Pirlo as a creative option open for Andy (instead of Rino and Ambro) and then Rui as well.

Now here we have Kaka, who unlike Rui is I'm sorry to say not too good with tight spaces(one of the reasons he doesn't make my top 4 list of current Milan players (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). So now this I think is why Carletto plays Seedorf , so upfront with the 2DMs instead of in the centre mid per se. So that Seedorf can do something else, when Kaka is man marked tight. Or even pull people off Kaka (something Gila and Seedorf do rather well).

Now the problem is neither Seedorf nor Kaka have the vision that Rui did. In those days we had both Rui and Pirlo with that divine play making vision. Now it's just Andy.
I've always said that Kaka was the thrusting tip of the spear nothing more. The impetus needs to come from elsewhere.
So while this might seem wierd....I don't care about getting new goalkeepers. And Kaladze can stay or go, Bonera can partner Nesta.

My choices:

Fullback: Zambrotta, one young Pato of the fullback world
CM:  Aquilani/Cigarini, Dessena/Montolivo, Neves (in case you want a Kaka replacement)
Attack: Somebody who likes playing in tight spaces. No one better than Ronaldo, but I haven't seen enough of Gomez. Berbatov would be nice too.
I suppose Borriello is coming in. Don't know enough of him though.

Out:

Gourcuff: Loaned to Ajax (please...this is very important)
Brocchi: Sold to Fiorentina + cash for Montolivio (yeah right (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )
Favalli: Retires hopefully. He's really been a good buy for an old Bosman transfer. And I'd hate to have to release him

Gila: Unless we really are going to let him play as the free roaming penalty box striker he was in Parma, he should go. This converting him into a target man, so he holds up the ball, and pulls defenders off shite, is not working. hes not even making the Azzuri.

Mostly I agree with Cap'tn (which is not unusual), but I'll have to add some points:

Seedorf, Pirlo and especially Gattuso are older, which is an important factor. Other then that, we've lost our wing options. The big matches were in the past allways decided by Rui, Andy or our strikers. But many of does small teams broke exactly on Cafu's spark of idea, space feeling and speed, or Serginho's intelligent moves and runs. Janku and Oddo are good, but not really adding up as a constant option.

One more thing is Pato's unexperience and still not perfect SS-player movement. Sheva done it better cause off his experience, and this is still to come with Pato.

Also, Pirlo, Seedorf and Gattuso have no pressure from the bench. We had a problem with the teams depth, on first we lacked of quality subs and alternative solutions. But now the depth problem spreaded as our 4 midfielders became "untouchable". Whatever Pirlo makes, misses a penalty, kicks an owngoal or stops running, he'll be fielded next time. This is a psychological problem that cost us, and the players very much. In the word's of the 90ties capitalistic ideology, we need healthy concurrention.