[Tennie]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Giancarlo on one aspect of his comment above:

We didn't sign an Oliveira or Emerson this transfer season

No, but we (are about to) sign a Senderos. Lack of pace isn't the guy's issue. It's that he's got dreadful positioning and, honestly, just isn't all that good. If he puts the jersey on I'll support him, but honestly? It's embarrassing to me to see him at the club. Milan has a tradition of having great defenders - the Invincibles of the Sacchi and Capello era, for example - and in no way, shape or form does Senderos come anywhere near Tassotti, Costacurta, Baresi, or Maldini in terms of skill, talent, or class.

[kurtsimonw]

I think our resident Arsenal fan would agree they have a fairly small and weak squad at the moment, yet Senderos is still their 5th choice CB. That itself speaks volumes about how poor he is.

Talking of Arsenal, where is Locke? I'd like to hear his opinion on this.

[Giancarlo]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Giancarlo on one aspect of his comment above:



No, but we (are about to) sign a Senderos. Lack of pace isn't the guy's issue. It's that he's got dreadful positioning and, honestly, just isn't all that good. If he puts the jersey on I'll support him, but honestly? It's embarrassing to me to see him at the club. Milan has a tradition of having great defenders - the Invincibles of the Sacchi and Capello era, for example - and in no way, shape or form does Senderos come anywhere near Tassotti, Costacurta, Baresi, or Maldini in terms of skill, talent, or class.

All I'm saying is he a good squad player, and I'm sure he'll do fine. And I think a change of team will be good for him. He's still young and he still has a great of potential.

[vnata001]

i think r10 was rather humbled by this past season...he basically completely fell out of favor with his fans, lost his spot in the Brazil NT (prior to the olympics), and is no longer considered to be in the top 3 players in the world..He came to Milan because he knows that if he is ever going to rise to his best again, it will be here and nowhere else. we did not overpay for him, nor are we over paying him. The purchase itself was a shrewd purchase. It's a two year deal so if he has lost it he'll be gone soon, simple as that..We are not buying the Dinho of 05, so expecting him to be that is UNREALISTIC. But he is probably JUST as good as Clarence is and that does us absolutely no harm.

Flamini was the real buy of this market. he'll be here for a LONG time.

I'd rather have Borriello over Gila. Borriello can actually dribble and doesnt flop down every time someone taps his back..and he actually has a decent shot from distance.

Zambrotta will probably play better than Oddo so that's an upgrade.

Abiatti will player better than Dida or Kalac.

Senderos will provide better than average cover when called upon.

Now when Janku is injured Antonini can play..and William Shakespeare is a third option.

Sheva? the definition of a quick fix. He's no Benzema, but he'll fit RIGHT in..and we already got a hot prospect in the form of Pato. So now we got good veterans in Shev and Fillipo..Pato and Marco are our young guns.

Depth IS there..and there are upgrades abound.

[han2503]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Giancarlo on one aspect of his comment above:



No, but we (are about to) sign a Senderos. Lack of pace isn't the guy's issue. It's that he's got dreadful positioning and, honestly, just isn't all that good. If he puts the jersey on I'll support him, but honestly? It's embarrassing to me to see him at the club. Milan has a tradition of having great defenders - the Invincibles of the Sacchi and Capello era, for example - and in no way, shape or form does Senderos come anywhere near Tassotti, Costacurta, Baresi, or Maldini in terms of skill, talent, or class.

I don't think you'll see anyone come close to those players you mention in the last decade and neighter in the coming one. Maybe Nesta, but still when you say someone like Maldini and Barsei, you simply can't compare, legends of the game

As for Senderos, I think he's a good back up certainly not the world class center back that we need. But I think getting to experiance playing with defenders like Nesta and Maldini, he'll learn quite a few things. Yes his positioning is cr@p most of the time, but he's still young there's still room for learning and most of all improvment. Personally I'm holding all judgment for after I've seen him play in the Serie A. Yes he's error prone, but if you were to ask me which I would choose between him and Kaladze I would go for Senderos.

This post has been edited by han2503: Aug 26 2008, 08:06 PM

[Tennie]

I'd prefer Darmian over both of 'em, han. I like the kid, he's shown potential.

[han2503]

I'd prefer Darmian over both of 'em, han. I like the kid, he's shown potential.

I'm with you on that, but realistically speaking, we all know that Carlo won't play him unless it's a Coppa match

[dst]

I'm with you on that, but realistically speaking, we all know that Carlo won't play him unless it's a Coppa match

It almost makes me cry... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) The kid has so much potential!

[Giancarlo]

It almost makes me cry... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) The kid has so much potential!

I think he needs to develop a bit more. Don't get me wrong... I think he's a potential star in the making...

[kurtsimonw]

Apparently Pavlyuchenko has gone to Spurs, well, that's the rumour anyways.

[dst]

I think he needs to develop a bit more. Don't get me wrong... I think he's a potential star in the making...

Surely. He has a whole lotta things to learn but I don't think playing him is more of a risk than playing Kaladze is...

This post has been edited by dst: Aug 26 2008, 08:23 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Surely. He has a whole lotta things to learn but I don't think playing him is more of a risk than playing Kaladze is...

Agreed.

[Bluesummers]

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The new Milan signing Philippe Senderos is at Milanello to undergo the medical tests. His former coach told about him "Here, Senderos does not find space and with this solution he could play lots of high-level matches elsewhere. We have Kolo, Gallas, Djorou, Song and now Silvestre. The defensive department is congested and we want Senderos to have games without losing." After that, Wenger answered to the question of whether the loan of the player will be converted into a permanent transfer: "This is not yet decided."

[Rossoneri7]

If Milan sign Senderos, then Milan knows what its doing ... There is no point in arguing if the club has lost its marbles, this is a very well conducted transfer window .. Who was Flamini at Arsenal before last season ?! He was THE bench warmer for the then captain Gilberto Silva, because he was never good enough in the past. Now he has grown and matured and showed us all last season that he is good at what he does, and now he plays for Milan.

Maybe for Senderos, things will turn out better at Milan, when he gets to rub shoulders with the best in the business .. Let the kid get his chance first and then judge him.

Though I would definitely class him right after Kakha in the picking order atm.

[gal_kenny]

If Milan sign Senderos, then Milan knows what its doing ... There is no point in arguing if the club has lost its marbles, this is a very well conducted transfer window .. Who was Flamini at Arsenal before last season ?! He was THE bench warmer for the then captain Gilberto Silva, because he was never good enough in the past. Now he has grown and matured and showed us all last season that he is good at what he does, and now he plays for Milan.

Maybe for Senderos, things will turn out better at Milan, when he gets to rub shoulders with the best in the business .. Let the kid get his chance first and then judge him.

Though I would definitely class him right after Kakha in the picking order atm.

Your point just killed all the arguments we've been having bout Senderos...Like u just hit the nail on the head..He's still young...Some people develop quick and some people don't..If milan signs him..they know wat they doing and i support that...