[Giancarlo]

Because he's one of the greatest players ever to wear the red and black. Anyways, I still think he'll be a good player in Italy and I'll be happy to have him back.

He stabbed us all in the back and he took money over his team. He went for a team I really don't like and can't stand. He went for a mercenary team with little home grown talent...

I am, too, against this in principle. He may score quite a few if he comes back, but we are not the kind of team to let back in backstabbers.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 20 2008, 06:46 PM

[han2503]

Because he's one of the greatest players ever to wear the red and black. Anyways, I still think he'll be a good player in Italy and I'll be happy to have him back.

Agreed, like I said before, he's a really smart player that can re-adapt his game. Yes he has lost his pace but in Serie A you can make it if you're a tactically aware player like Sheva is. And unlike the EPL, in Serie A a player does not necissarily need to be fast to be succesful

[han2503]

He stabbed us all in the back and he took money over his team. He went for a team I really don't like and can't stand. He went for a mercenary team with little home grown talent...

I am, too, against this in principle. He may score quite a few if he comes back, but we are not the kind of team to let back in backstabbers.

Yes what Sheva did was very hurtful especially after all the pounding on the badge and pledging his future to Milan. Personally all I wasnted him to do was fail at Chelsea. But now all I feel is sorry for him. He made a mistake and I think these last 2 seasons have been payback enough for him.

Personally I'm ready to forgive and forget. And we don't actually know if he left just for the money, many say that his wife wanted to move to England and with Abramovic constantly waving an escape route plastered with diamonds it isn't that shoking that he left. If you personall were to be given an ultimatum of either your family or your job I'm sure you would choose your family. And at the end of the day this is the player's job, yes it's much more different to working in an office, but when it comes to certain things your job might not be important enough, family imo is one of those things

[kurtsimonw]

He stabbed us all in the back and he took money over his team. He went for a team I really don't like and can't stand. He went for a mercenary team with little home grown talent...

I am, too, against this in principle. He may score quite a few if he comes back, but we are not the kind of team to let back in backstabbers.

You can look at it whatever way you want to. Do you not think maybe he's unselfish and picked what his wife wanted (A move to England) over what he wanted (To become a Milan legend)? Or maybe that he wants his kids to grow up over here since we have some of the best schools in the World?

Chelsea have no home grown talent? John Terry, Frank Lampard and Joe Cole are all from London. I think you could argue they're all in Chelsea's top 5 best players, so that one's a bit of a miss.

You can label him a traitor or whatever you want. He's not a Milan fan, or even Italian, so it's not like he had an attatchment to this club in any way. He didn't leave in the best way, no. But if this happened to Darmain, I don't think people would care. The reason people hate him so much is because he was that damn good. Look at what we've done without him the last few years. It's not a coincidence at all. Calciopoli? That may have hindered us, but using that as an excuse is a joke, Juve were punished harder than us and they've coped just fine. We miss Sheva, in my opinion.

[CrazyMilanFan]

Because he's one of the greatest players ever to wear the red and black. Anyways, I still think he'll be a good player in Italy and I'll be happy to have him back.

excellent +1

[han2503]

You can look at it whatever way you want to. Do you not think maybe he's unselfish and picked what his wife wanted (A move to England) over what he wanted (To become a Milan legend)? Or maybe that he wants his kids to grow up over here since we have some of the best schools in the World?

Chelsea have no home grown talent? John Terry, Frank Lampard and Joe Cole are all from London. I think you could argue they're all in Chelsea's top 5 best players, so that one's a bit of a miss.

You can label him a traitor or whatever you want. He's not a Milan fan, or even Italian, so it's not like he had an attatchment to this club in any way. He didn't leave in the best way, no. But if this happened to Darmain, I don't think people would care. The reason people hate him so much is because he was that damn good. Look at what we've done without him the last few years. It's not a coincidence at all. Calciopoli? That may have hindered us, but using that as an excuse is a joke, Juve were punished harder than us and they've coped just fine. We miss Sheva, in my opinion.

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[vnata001]

Anyone remember when Hernan Crespo left Cheslea for Inter 2 seasons ago...and when he arrived in Milan? the first thing he said when he returned was that transferring to Chelsea is career suicide for a striker..he hated his time there..the team is built around Drogba and Lamps and nobody else up front..blah blah blah..he could'nt understand why anyone would go there. I believe it was right around the time that Sheva left us...and when Hernan returned to Serie A, he immediately showed his old form scoring headers and poaching goals like nobody's business. At Chelsea he was a starter and managed only 24 goals in 5 seasons..Sheva is an example of a striker who was not employed correctly in his time there..


now, excluding the emotions of it all. The shevchenko transfer is perfect for us. We were all hoping for some reinforcements up front. Defensive reinforcements are still coming, as Carlo said sheva coming doesn't end the market. People in this forum were throwing names like Crespo around...Sheva is not a bad solution. The guy still has world class finishing ability (always scores for Ukraine, and shows flashes in England). The problem was the service he got. Drogba gets ALL the service...and other strikers have to scrap for the rest..ususally it was sheva setting up lamps or drogba. Same as crespo, which is why Crespo "flopped" there. Immediately Hernan was able to readjust to the movement of Italian football and recaptured his form...Sheva left for his wife and kid. Not any other reason..If wives did not influence their men, then Sheva would be in Milan..and Beckham would still be in Europe. For a man, family is more important than anything else in the world..and that's why Sheva and Becks did what they did. Abramovic made the transfer possible offering his astronomical wages and huge transfer fee, so it happened. The only reason Sheva was so coy about telling us he was leaving in the first place was probably because he didn't want to leave..and really wasn't sure if he was until it basically happened.


Sheva could easily come back and have Crespo's success. Plus, the last time he was here Kaka wasn't as good as he is now. Sheva could bag tons of goals. He can be Pato's mentor..and now we have a proven hit man and we're not relying on Pippo, unproven Marco, or the undeveloped Pato/Palo. Pato will now see minutes when it's appropriate. Marco can learn on the job from Pippo..and we'll be SET 2 seasons from now when Marco and Pato peak in our system and Sheva and Pippo hand over the reigns..

Mentors for the youth.

Palo/Pato - Pippo/Sheva
Viudez - Dinho/Kaka/Seedorf
Cardaccio - Flamini/Pirlo/Rino/Ambro
Antonini - Zambro/Janku
Darmian - Captiano, Nesta, Kakha, (Kovac)

We have youth in all the right places and the perfect mentors for each of them..If milan complete the Sheva/Kovac signings..we'll be back in business SO Quickly. The only reason Inter was better than us was better defense and better strikers..Now our midfield will still be the best in Italy..Our attack would be at least 2nd best..and our defense would be reinforced. Milan are back in business if we pull these last two transfers out.

The ONLY THING i would additionally want to see would be the loan of - Brocchi! and then looking long term...When Clarence leaves..recall Gourcuff!

This post has been edited by vnata001: Aug 20 2008, 07:08 PM

[Giancarlo]

You can look at it whatever way you want to. Do you not think maybe he's unselfish and picked what his wife wanted (A move to England) over what he wanted (To become a Milan legend)? Or maybe that he wants his kids to grow up over here since we have some of the best schools in the World?

England has the best schools in the world? Are you kidding me? I seriously think he should consider where he is living. If he was unselfish he would have stayed at Milan. He can go play for mercenary teams in the EPL... I'm over him.

Chelsea have no home grown talent? John Terry, Frank Lampard and Joe Cole are all from London. I think you could argue they're all in Chelsea's top 5 best players, so that one's a bit of a miss.

That's three players. That's nothing compared to Milan or most Italian teams for that fact. And frankly I don't think any of the three are that great.

How was any thing I say a miss? Chelski is still a mercenary team that relies almost entirely on foreign talent.

The reason people hate him so much is because he was that damn good. Look at what we've done without him the last few years. It's not a coincidence at all. Calciopoli? That may have hindered us, but using that as an excuse is a joke, Juve were punished harder than us and they've coped just fine. We miss Sheva, in my opinion.

He threw himself away. He messed up in Chelski and he took dirty Russian oil money. Not like I care. I think Sheva should just stay FAR AWAY.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 20 2008, 07:08 PM

[Tennie]

Work's biting me right now han, but that looks like the Gazzetta article. Which basically says the same thing as the others, focusing a bit more on the 'prodigal son' aspect to it all. I can do a full translation when I get home.

[drucurl]

You can look at it whatever way you want to. Do you not think maybe he's unselfish and picked what his wife wanted (A move to England) over what he wanted (To become a Milan legend)? Or maybe that he wants his kids to grow up over here since we have some of the best schools in the World?

Chelsea have no home grown talent? John Terry, Frank Lampard and Joe Cole are all from London. I think you could argue they're all in Chelsea's top 5 best players, so that one's a bit of a miss.

You can label him a traitor or whatever you want. He's not a Milan fan, or even Italian, so it's not like he had an attatchment to this club in any way. He didn't leave in the best way, no. But if this happened to Darmain, I don't think people would care. The reason people hate him so much is because he was that damn good. Look at what we've done without him the last few years. It's not a coincidence at all. Calciopoli? That may have hindered us, but using that as an excuse is a joke, Juve were punished harder than us and they've coped just fine. We miss Sheva, in my opinion.

Good post and excellent points however there could be long term and far reaching implications:

1) We essentially disrespect the fans who all - for better or worse feel betrayed

2) Milan's insistence on 'results now' could hamper Pato's growth/confidence. I think Sheva will fit in to our system quite well....possibly better than Pato who is still developing. This may tempt Carlo to play Sheva more than Pato

[Giancarlo]

I think Pato will do fine in the future, with or without Sheva. But... I don't feel it is right on principle letting him back.

[han2503]

Work's biting me right now han, but that looks like the Gazzetta article. Which basically says the same thing as the others, focusing a bit more on the 'prodigal son' aspect to it all. I can do a full translation when I get home.

Thanks Tennie, an no problem, translate it when you have the chance (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

England has the best schools in the world? Are you kidding me? I seriously think he should consider where he is living. If he was unselfish he would have stayed at Milan. He can go play for mercenary teams in the EPL... I'm over him.

No, I'm not kidding you: Hence celebrities moving to London to send their kids to provate schools here. Or maybe they are spending all that money to make their kids stupid?

Some people pick their familes over their football. Sheva being one of them. To say he's selfish because he decided to do what his wife wanted, as opposed to him playing football in Milan is.. I can't even think of a word for it.

That's three players. That's nothing compared to Milan or most Italian teams for that fact. And frankly I don't think any of the three are that great.

That's 3 of their best players. They have Ashley Cole and Scott Sinclair also from London. Sinclair is somebody they have high hopes in the future for and Ashley Cole is another top player.

You can say Joe and Ashley, JT and Lamps are all not great players all you like. That does change the fact that they are great players. Or did the other Chelsea players have to drag these to 2 league titles and the Champions League Final? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

He threw himself away. He messed up in Chelski and he took dirty Russian oil money. Not like I care. I think Sheva should just stay FAR AWAY.

He messed up in Chelsea? I think you'll find he just doesn't suit this league since he doesn't have the pace for it.

But if you honestly believe he moved for money and only money, then ask yourself this: Are the Milan management stupid for not matching Chelsea's offer? If Sheva is such a great player, don't you think the management would believe he's worth paying that much for? If you don't believe that the Milan management are incompetant and stingy, then you'd have to use common sense and understand that it wasn't money he left for. It can only be one or the other.

[Tennie]

Kurt, out of curiosity, did any of those players you mentioned above come through the Chelsea youth team?

[vnata001]

Good post and excellent points however there could be long term and far reaching implications:

1) We essentially disrespect the fans who all - for better or worse feel betrayed

2) Milan's insistence on 'results now' could hamper Pato's growth/confidence. I think Sheva will fit in to our system quite well....possibly better than Pato who is still developing. This may tempt Carlo to play Sheva more than Pato

that may not be a bad thing. The fans will cheer if we're winning. Pato needs work. He still needs to learn when to hold the ball and when not to, and needs to develop his striking instinct a bit more. I was actually in favor of Dunga benching Pato..cuz Pato loses the ball a lot...Pato is VERY young. I have no problem with Pato seeing minutes when he deserves to, and only starting to play more regularly once he's 20/21. Pato is still developing. If we play him IMMEDIATELY, he could peak early..like so many Brazilians before him..Sheva is capable of doing MANY things Pato cannot yet do. If Sheva arrives..Pato has an example of someone who he should strive to be like..and given Sheva's kind heart, he would be a great mentor/example for Pato on how to play, and be professional..Removing the emotions of transfers...Sheva is a classy individual, we all know this much..he was crucial to Kaka getting his confidence..he could solve more problems than he poses..