[Rossoneri7]

Or even worse, stay behind Dida who's mistakes cost us match after match and not support Gila

Had Gila scored,match winning goals .. I bet u Dida would be much more secure in goal, than right now when all his actions are hanging on a thread!


p.s. ur still arguing in this thread, i just couldnt leave u alone (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Jan 6 2008, 09:10 PM

[han2503]

O.k, but you can't expect from Pippo at this age to score regularly in Serie A. He doesn't have the legs anymore to play too many games, so he's mostly here,at this stage of his career, for the big games. The mistake was not buying another striker while taking to consideration Pippo's age, Ronalo's injuries, half season  unavailability of Pato and inconsistency of Gila.

Well that's just going into another issue which I completely agree with you on but I don't want to ruffle R7's feathers so I won't even go into it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And it's because from a natural point of view, this is the competitions where Gilardino should score, not Pippo.

But when the club don't make transfers that will give us other options then Pippo is required to score, especially when he is one of the only 2 strikers that the club has on it's roster. Yes it's unfair to Pippo but that's the way it is atm. Hopefully with Pato this will ease off some pressure from the entire attack (Kaka and Seedorf included who are expected to score goals like they are seasoned poachers (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Yep, that's how it should have been...

But that's not the case, the club has put it upon these guys to produce like they're 20 years olds by not making the neccesary transfers.

This post has been edited by han2503: Jan 6 2008, 09:13 PM

[han2503]

Had Gila scored,match winning goals .. I bet u Dida would be much more secure in goal, than right now when all his actions are hanging on a thread!

Ok this is just digging too low, you're actually blaming Dida's stupid fumbles on Gila now???!!! That's just a new low (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

p.s. ur still arguing in this thread, i just couldnt leave u alone (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I just can't help my self, it's like a drug, I've just got to post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Ok this is just digging too low, you're actually blaming Dida's stupid fumbles on Gila now???!!! That's just a new low  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I just can't help my self, it's like a drug, I've just got to post  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

a new low ?! r u claiming that i have gone to a low ?

[Fillipo Simone]

Yes and I agree with all of that. But why does a striker that isn't even half what he used to be stay on and play when he's not being of use to the club in a certain competition.

Now lets leave Gila out of this. If Pippo doesn't retire by the end of this season he will most likely be out for the rest of next season through injury or won't live up to his standards because by then he would be 36 and not as half as effective as we all know him to be.

Imo a great player should retire at his heights and Pippo is well past that. He should bow down gracefully.

And plaese don't get Gila involved, even though I do defend him at times when he plays badly I criticise him. It's not rose tinted glasses I'm just saying give the guy a chance because he's shown us glimpses and if he could ever return to his own then he would be great for us.

If the club affords to keep players like Pippo and Ronaldo who will most likely be out for 3/4 of the season then there is no reason for us to complain about giving Gila chances.

Or even worse, stay behind Dida who's mistakes cost us match after match and not support Gila

I agree with you, mostly.

I'm a Gila defender and I respect him, and I also, just like you, criticise him.

But to compare Pippo and Ronaldo is also wrong. Pippo is fit and Ronaldo has a recurring problem that makes him out for months.

Milan, as it seems has a policy that is different to the Juve policy. We keep our players even after they are past or behind their best cause we have a unique team and cohesion. Everything you said about Pippo could also go on Maldini, or Cafu, or,...they all could have retired on star highs. But, if Pippo says I'll stay for one more, I won't be against it. I'll respect his decision, cause for all that he has done for us in the past, he deserved that respect and such a solution.

It's simple:

1) I don't wan't certain players to retire, I just want new players join (as soon as possible)
2) I stay behind every Milan player from the starting 11, even behind Dida cause I respect them all. But that does not mean that I'm not critical when needed

[han2503]

a new low ?! r u claiming that i have gone to a low ?

In your criticism of Gila yes. Not you as a person don't get me wrong.

But you have to admit, that you will find new ways of criticiseing Gila no matter what, even if he isn't playing, next thing you know you'll be criticising the way he sits down on the subs bench and because he does it so badly that is why the team are losing (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And I seriously can't understand how you could stay behind and support a player like Dida and not Gila.

But to compare Pippo and Ronaldo is also wrong. Pippo is fit and Ronaldo has a recurring problem that makes him out for months.

Pippo has also been injured this season not as consistantly but he has. And with his it's always a scare that he will get injured seriously and will be out for most of the season.

Milan, as it seems has a policy that is different to the Juve policy. We keep our players even after they are past or behind their best cause we have a unique team and cohesion. Everything you said about Pippo could also go on Maldini, or Cafu, or,...they all could have retired on star highs. But, if Pippo says I'll stay for one more, I won't be against it. I'll respect his decision, cause for all that he has done for us in the past, he deserved that respect and such a solution.

And I respect that policy, but I'm an avid believer that a great player should retire on a high, a player like Cafu should have retired 2 seasons ago, and Paolo will retire this season because he himself knows that he can;t keep it up any more and let's face it, this season he hasn't been playing well. Last season he was still doing well but this season is pushing it to it's limits.

It's simple:

1) I don't wan't certain players to retire, I just want new players join (as soon as possible)
2) I stay behind every Milan player from the starting 11, even behind Dida cause I respect them all. But that does not mean that I'm not critical when needed

1. But if certain players don't retire then no new players will join in, because thats Gallaini's policy. That's why people want certain players to retire, I for one love Sergio and Pippo and let's not even get started on Paolo. But the reason I want them to retire is because I know that if they do stay on then no new players will be brought in, at least not quality ones

2. So do I (except for Dida, who just did one too many goofs for me to actually still have it in me to keep supporting him when I know that having him in between the sticks is causing harm to the club)

[Rossoneri7]

In your criticism of Gila yes. Not you as a person don't get me wrong.

But you have to admit, that you will find new ways of criticiseing Gila no matter what, even if he isn't playing, next thing you know you'll be criticising the way he sits down on the subs bench and because he does it so badly that is why the team are losing  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And I seriously can't understand how you could stay behind and support a player like Dida and not Gila.

Well, might I remind u that last season 'we' had an agreement that I could bash Gilardino as much as I want had he not turned out to be the player u preach he will become ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Dida ?? Dida is much more effective to the team than Gilardino. Whether he is having a bad patch now is something else, but he is world class undoubtedly ... Therefor there is a reason I defend him ahead of Gila, for starters he won us so much (as the saying goes; a Gkeeper is half of the team (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

[Fillipo Simone]

Well, might I remind u that last season 'we' had an agreement that I could bash Gilardino as much as I want had he not turned out to be the player u preach he will become ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Dida ?? Dida is much more effective to the team than Gilardino. Whether he is having a bad patch now is something else, but he is world class undoubtedly ... Therefor there is a reason I defend him ahead of Gila, for starters he won us so much (as the saying goes; a Gkeeper is half of the team (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

Dida was world class, and occasionally can repeat some of that...
Gila never was world class and that's it.

BUT

Dida's past.
Gila still can reach a world class level (hard, but still,..)

[han2503]

Well, might I remind u that last season 'we' had an agreement that I could bash Gilardino as much as I want had he not turned out to be the player u preach he will become ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

We said by the end of this season, and you're cranking out your best material to put him down.

And I don't preach I just choose to actually support him because I've seen glimpses of what he could actually do.

Dida ?? Dida is much more effective to the team than Gilardino. Whether he is having a bad patch now is something else, but he is world class undoubtedly ... Therefor there is a reason I defend him ahead of Gila, for starters he won us so much (as the saying goes; a Gkeeper is half of the team (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

Yeah, much more effective to emberras the team (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And Dida hasn't been world class in years, and if you call a 4 season long spell of howlers a patch then I don't know how you could actually get on Gila's back as you do.

And as you said, a goal keeper is half the team, therefore he is a much more vital part to the team. So the team can afford to actually keep Gila and keep giving him chances, Dida on the other hand can't be given that much chances since his position is that much more important.

[Rossoneri7]

We said by the end of this season, and you're cranking out your best material to put him down.

And I don't preach I just choose to actually support him because I've seen glimpses of what he could actually do.
Yeah, much more effective to emberras the team  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And Dida hasn't been world class in years, and if you call a 4 season long spell of howlers a patch then I don't know how you could actually get on Gila's back as you do.

And as you said, a goal keeper is half the team, therefore he is a much more vital part to the team. So the team can afford to actually keep Gila and keep giving him chances, Dida on the other hand can't be given that much chances since his position is that much more important.

Then explain to me what Milan have been doing for the past 6 years in Italy and Europe ?!

Dida is a very effective member of the squad. If you choose to magnify his mistakes then do it without prejudice. (I am talking to since u have been following the team for so long now .. had u been one of those who just tuned in, i wouldnt even bother talking about Dida (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ).

Dida has had a rough patch ... Whilst Gila has not had a good patch (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dida has proved himself a worthy squad member, while Gila has proved a f*ck up as of yet !

And we can go on and on ... But holding Dida by the balls and claiming he is no good anymore is pushing it, since he had propelled us every season since that Manchester triumph in 02/03 to being challengers. He has been as solid as can be. But just these past two season he had shown his howlers, but not on a continuous basis, No ! Just patches from period to period. And even with that he pulled himself together to push us to Athena (dont say it was all Kaka', cuz it was a team's effort!).

And if u were to count his many moments in Milan, he was extremely cruciel for us in the 04 Scudetti win .. And the two seasons after that he was one of the main reason he kept Juve in check and pushed for another CL final again and again !

I have a reason to defend Dida !

But Gilardino ?! it wasnt this season my friend, it was last season ... And I dont need to criticize anymore, I am just too tiered of watching him mess it all up over and over again. Hopeless really.

[han2503]

Then explain to me what Milan have been doing for the past 6 years in Italy and Europe ?!

Dida is a very effective member of the squad. If you choose to magnify his mistakes then do it without prejudice.  (I am talking to since u have been following the team for so long now .. had u been one of those who just tuned in, i wouldnt even bother talking about Dida (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ).

Dida has had a rough patch ... Whilst Gila has not had a good patch (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dida has proved himself a worthy squad member, while Gila has proved a f*ck up as of yet !

And we can go on and on ... But holding Dida by the balls and claiming he is no good anymore is pushing it, since he had propelled us every season since that Manchester triumph in 02/03 to being challengers. He has been as solid as can be. But just these past two season he had shown his howlers, but not on a continuous basis, No ! Just patches from period to period. And even with that he pulled himself together to push us to Athena (dont say it was all Kaka', cuz it was a team's effort!).

And if u were to count his many moments in Milan, he was extremely cruciel for us in the 04 Scudetti win .. And the two seasons after that he was one of the main reason he kept Juve in check and pushed for another CL final again and again !

I have a reason to defend Dida !

But Gilardino ?! it wasnt this season my friend, it was last season ... And I dont need to criticize anymore, I am just too tiered of watching him mess it all up over and over again. Hopeless really.

Again, going back to a past that has been long gone, Dida has been going down hill since the flair in the 04/05 CL and I know some may laugh at this but it's true

And I never devalued what he has done for the club in the past, in fact I was a big fan and supporter at one point and even after his continued mistakes I continued to support him. But it has been one too many and I know many people who feel this way, there are people who feel this way on this board also.

And yes it was Kaka and the team that got us to the final, if Kaka and Seedorf hadn't made emends in the second leg against Man U we would have never gone through since he made 2 howlers in the first leg that cost us that match.

Dida has had mild good spells during these last 3 seasons that have showed us a glimps of his old self but other then that he's been f@cking it up on a consistant basis.

When your heart stops when a high ball goes into the box because you know your keeper will 99% of the time flap at it should be indication enough that that particular keeper should not be a starter for a club like Milan, no matter what he has done for us in the past.

And the bet was for this season, not the previous one.

This post has been edited by han2503: Jan 6 2008, 10:10 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

This has no sense -- first it was a Toni thread, then Toni-Gilardino, then Pippo and Gilardino and now Dida and Gilardino. Please, let's keep on, maybe we'll soon enough compare Gila and Zeljko Kalac, or some historic figures, like Comandini,..

[han2503]

This has no sense -- first it was a Toni thread, then Toni-Gilardino, then Pippo and Gilardino and now Dida and Gilardino. Please, let's keep on, maybe we'll soon enough compare Gila and Zeljko Kalac, or some historic figures, like Comandini,..

Shh don't ruin it. I'm counting down untill one of the mods tries to gently kick our @sses out of the thread. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

At least that's my goal, what's yours R7? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

This has no sense -- first it was a Toni thread, then Toni-Gilardino, then Pippo and Gilardino and now Dida and Gilardino. Please, let's keep on, maybe we'll soon enough compare Gila and Zeljko Kalac, or some historic figures, like Comandini,..

Oh and by the way. Don't you dare say anything bad about Comandini, he was a big idol of mine in his day (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

And the bet was for this season, not the previous one.

han u surprise me !! It was last season ... We agreed till the winter break of last season then I could go up to the San Siro and smack him with my slippers (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But i never really went all out and I have Capin Jack at my side too u know how he hates Gila (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

On the Dida talk .. Well, at the end of it he remains to be our number 1. And for our sake (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I hope he keeps at his world class ability and helps us go to Moscow (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

btw .. Kaka' ws instrumental for us, yes !! I am not saying no. But it isn't a one man show. I mean, where did Maldini go ? And Ambrosini ? And Pirlo ? and Gattuso (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ? and Nesta ?

Even Dida, I mean if he hadn't stopped that Gerard drive, we wouldn't be celebrating an Athena triumph (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)