[Bluesummers]

We are in a crisis right now, and it is affecting us greatly. Post your thoughts or solutions on how to fix this nasty problems from firing carlo to buying ronaldinho.

Statistics

2Wins, 4 draws, 3 Losses.

CL statistics

2 wins 1 loss.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 28 2007, 06:47 PM

[Darunia]

We have 3 losses and we haven't played Juve or Inter yet (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Carlo should change his tactics IMO, it just isn't working for Serie A.

Maybe Ronaldo will help, but you can't count on a player who is injured all the time.

[Nova]

We have 3 losses and we haven't played Juve or Inter yet (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Carlo should change his tactics IMO, it just isn't working for Serie A.

Maybe Ronaldo will help, but you can't count on a player who is injured all the time.

ahhh tactics ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It's easy to say change tactics , but how would you change it ?

Playing gourcuff aint gonna win us games , the kid is too much stressed on the pitch and needs to adapt wich we cannot afford.

The ony things you are going to read here are ...

1) Carlo out
2) Galliani out
3) Better transfers


Why the main reason is that they just dont fight. Last year we had the fury of the calciopoli wich made us fight , but now we have absolutely no one to blaim but ourselve. If you want to be champions , you have to act like champions . wich from what I've seen today , is farrrrrrrr away .

This post has been edited by Nova: Oct 28 2007, 07:12 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

Good topic....keep things constructive.


I don't know to be honest. I can't isolate anything. Having seen nothing but highlights all this season also doesn't help.


Is it the fact that we don't have strikers??

Maybe. I don't know of too many teams that do well with just one striker in Serie A.

Roma might play with only Totti, but the fact is with two pure attacking wingers, a single forward is a whole different game theory.


If I must criticise Carlo, I suppose it must be that he doesn't play wingers at all. As such I don't believe that the standard 4-4-2- with your mid composed of one holding-one creative-and 2 wingers, is suited all the time for modern football, but it is still useful.

But then this one loophole in his armoury is not gonna have me jumping up and down saying he must be removed. I love this guy. And I believe if we fail to reach our objectives this season, he's either over-deliver next season or step down voluntarily. He's given too much to the club to be treated like Martin Jol. If we do fire him unceremoniously, I would be pissed.

But wandering back, I wonder why nobody else felt, we lacked support in defence. The forward deficiency in Milan is overhyped imo. Regardless of how you see Gila.

Imo it's the defence. I have isolated the problem area, I don't know where it needs fixing. But I know for a fact that dst has noticed, and I'm sure you'd have as well, our defence is messing up our creativity.

Carlo has realized for some time that our defence is not up to it, and so he's forced to play 2 DMs for added cover. It stifles you up especially when you need more impetus.

When your forward line is only one man deep, the logical conclusion is that the impetus has to come from mid-field.

You'd remember this...my fav formation from the Carlo era. In theory it would be a 4-3-1-2, but in practise, it was either a 3-4-1-2 or a 4-1-2-1-2

---Cafu----Nesta----Paolo---Sergio
------Rino-----Pirlo-------Clarence
-------------Ricky/Rui-------------
--------Sheva-------------Pippo---


Here Rino was not essentially deployed to protect the back 4. He was meant to back Andy P up. His sole job was to protect Andy P. Or get the ball and give it to Andy P. Andy P was a revelation during that period. Forget the miracle of Pippo's revival or Sheva's class. Andy P was the beating heart of that Milan side. But then he could afford to be.

The Maldini-Nesta combo should go down in history as one of the greatest CB pairings. They were really solid.

Then we had Cafu and Sergio. Both of them were playing well. Cafu was himself, having been given a lease of life as regards European football thanks to Milan, and Sergio was getting much better at defending.

But here was the point, at any given point in time, we could unleash those two like wolves at sheep, and they would totally rampage. They could afford to. Our defence then was together and fluid. Defending was second nature. And Dida was well, the top GK of the time. Buffon was maybe a better shot stopper, but he couldn't handle PKs for ****.



Now what do we have playing...

---Oddo----Nesta----Kaladze---Janku
------Rino--------Pirlo-------Ambro----
-------kaka----------------Clarence
-----------------Gila----------------


Our defence has simply lost it. Maybe it's a chemistry thing, maybe like dst says Kala is sh!t. Or maybe Nesta is getting old and complacent. But the fact is Milan's defence is no longer considered a challenge. It clings on to the reputation Nesta and Paolo held.


Our attack depends on Pirlo-Clarence-Kaka combining with our striker to finish things off.

If one of these guys are not jelling in our 3 man force, we are in for a rough nite. Unless of course these guys have those super human nights and take out the trash single-handedly, which is not to expected every week.

Of late I had some hope, when I saw the highlights and that Gila was doing much more than being just a finisher. But it doesn't work with a team for whom the match is not do-or-die.

In CL, that's not the case. A team is dead worried, that each match could be it's last. They're caught in a position where they are not sure whether to make sure they don't lose or they win the game, and Milan somehow seem to have the better clarity during these times.

In Serie A, it's us in the conundrum. Do we score or stop them from scoring? We are so confused, so without direction.

We have two options in Serie A, in CL I wouldn't change a thing

5-3-2

----Oddo/Cafu----Nesta---Paolo/Bonera----Kala/Simic----Sergio/Janku
-------------Rino/Ambro------Pirlo-------Clarence---
--------------------------Ricky-----------------
-------------------------------------Gila-----------------


Or 3-4-1-2

------Nesta----Paolo/Bonera-----Kaladze/Simic-------
----Cafu/Oddo-----Ambro/Rino---Pirlo----------Clarence
-----------------------------Kaka--------------------------
---------------------Gila------------R99/Willy----------------




They are a study in contrasts. Either beef up our defence so we can't be beaten. Or beef up our attack so we beat anybody, no matter how much they score.

Either way, I don't mess up with my three-man force of Clarence-Kaka and Piro.


What would I like to play...I like Ballack, I think he's the closest to Pirlo, without the same silkiness, but much better aerial presence, and athleticism.


------------Nesta-----Paolo/Bonera------Simic/Kala--------
---Cafu/Oddo/Brocchi/Rino-------Pirlo---Ballack--------Sergio/Janku
---------------------Kaka/Clarence/Yoann(Coppa Italia)--------------
--------------------------------Gila---------R99--------------------


Stock formation, can be played anywhere, any competition. Ambro can come on for either Ballack or Pirlo.

If R99 is not available, we play the 3-4-2-1 instead with Ricky and Clarence or Yoann.

I would like to ask those of you who watch the Portuguese League intently. Esp. Porty, can Quaresma play as second striker. Esp since he has most of the technique of Zlatan Ibrahimovic?

[armiss]

the only problem is our strikers , yes Gila is back , pippo is good but they dont have that creativity for various options , this is the main difficulty from last season , we resolve this problem with a united team , Kaka and Seedorf and no completly ready Ronaldo but helpful in serie A .

team get tired of this stroy , they need smart and skillful strikers like Ronaldo , Pato , Drogba and Ronaldinho , this is not right that hard work from our team in front of the goal relate to thinny options , we need assurance .

[KillerMax]

Crysis... isn't that a video game?

Crisis? Well, that one is what we are in right now.

[dst]

Playing gourcuff aint gonna win us games...

Then I guess playing Brocchi will... we're truly bad right now, I don't think giving a chance to Gourcuff would hurt us!

[bigmacmtl]

galliani should be shown the door plain and simple. i'm upset cuz carlo hasnt done a thing to help the team but in the end he doesnt have mucht work with so he cant be totally blamed. fat **** must go, this so called team fo champions which he decided was good enough (and the season before that) and look what we've done so far. BIG changes in management with sevral key aquisitions.

1 or 2 New strikers (inzaghi can retire or not play anymore), creative mid like diego (brocchi out the door, emerson and ambro shown given less play), gets ride of 2-3 defenders and bring in 2-3 ( a couple of full backs and a world class CB), oh and a new keeper would be nice. (and all this should be done over the course of the winter and summer transfer markets.

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Oct 28 2007, 11:02 PM

[Nova]

Then I guess playing Brocchi will... we're truly bad right now, I don't think giving a chance to Gourcuff would hurt us!

None of the 2 will win us games. I dont even care about gourcuff when I saw us playing like yesterday.

Besides , I've seen him play before and Im tired to use him as an excuse to blaim carlo. Oh and btw , to me , brocchi plays better then gourcuff when he gets on the field. That doesnt make brocchi a good player , but only proves how bad gourcuff is when he gets his chance. Own goal & ruined offside trap vs celtic anyone ?

Gourcuff is not even close to seedorf so he belongs on the bench.

ps. People must realise that Galliani wont be fired . he can't be fired , berlusconi would never even think about it.

BUT !! changes must be made I agree. I just dont believe firing carlo would help us at all.

This post has been edited by Nova: Oct 29 2007, 09:57 AM

[MizNelson]

ps. People must realise that Galliani wont be fired . he can't be fired , berlusconi would never even think about it.

Galliani will die of old age first before he'll ever get canned.

[Nova]

Galliani will die of old age first before he'll ever get canned.

I hope so , the man is crazy. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5khN1kcNLHU

This post has been edited by Nova: Oct 29 2007, 10:01 AM

[misha]

BUT !! changes must be made I agree. I just dont believe firing carlo would help us at all.

I think it might help. It possible that a new manager would bring new ideas and it possible that he would motivate the players more. And even maybe he will take a harder stand towards the board about signings. Carlo achieved almost every trophy there is and it might be a good time for both Milan and Carlo to move on.

I'm not comparing us to Chelsea, but they thought that life is over agter Jose left ,but now many of them have changed their mind. I know that some people love him a lot (I'm fond of him myself), but I don't think he will be here next season.

[pacang]

IMO, what the coach should do is :

1) apply new blood in our tactics (no need for transfers, try Willy in the field) Pippo and Gilardino both played in serie a for quite sometime, all other coaches know how to deal with them. Try to use striker with pace (in this case only Willy is available), even if he doesn't score, his pace will disrupt opponent's defence and give them some run around.. thus allowing more space for Kaka or Seedorf to go forward

2) use our midfielder's traits to the fullest.. ie, Ambro and Gattuso to close down opponents in our 3 quarter, Seedorf to hold the ball when we have possesion, Pirlo to construct a play and Kaka to execute it.. Ambro to be in the box while corner is taken, Kaka to start counter attack.. blablabla.. we have the qualities, the talents.. and ask them to stick to their role in the team..

3) defenders not to charge down opponents too quickly, instead wait for support from Ambro or Gattuso but still maintain the offside line and marking.. may sounds difficult to do, but our defenders are able and they're good enough.. remember the game against Man U at San Siro? they didn't charge Cristiano and let Gattuso make the first tackle.. that's beautiful defence..

waaaaa... typed so much already.. sorry for the inconvenience

[Zed.D]

I hope so  , the man is crazy.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5khN1kcNLHU

OH MY GOD!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) no disrespect, but he's a big laugh.



EDIT: I've never noticed the similarities between Braida and Bryan Ferry before!

//

It's funny how some people say Mourinho doesn't have enough prestige and class to be a Milan coach, but they never pay attention to how our vice president, Adriano Galliani, talks, acts and reacts sometimes... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Oct 29 2007, 02:39 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

^^^

You have to remember that a manager's and a VP's position are quite different.

A Manager is much closer to the players. And no we're not talking about prestige. We were talking about team harmony.

Even Drogba mentioned how players in the team had 'betrayed' Mourinho.

This means two things...

1. Mourinho had his favourites.
2. Players didn't like him a lot.

Can you imagine something like this in Milan?? I have never in 5 years ever got the impression of a coach vs players mentality in Milan. They were one unit. As it ought to be.

Very few teams in the world have that. Besides Milan, there is Man U (and he's been there 20 years, and has had hiccups), there was Sevilla(but then there was no Sevilla before Ramos), Roma's got it now.

I respect Jose's skills as a coach, I just think the excess baggage that comes along with it isn't worth the aggravation. In fact it's pointless not to admit, that Chelsea were known more for Jose's antics than their football.

Jose's been gone a month, and these guys go on to notch up their biggest win of their history. And it wasn't against some itsy bitsy team either.

The fact that I don't like Jose's type of football is a personal viewpoint. I'm not bringing that into it.