[bigmacmtl]

How has it inflated

of course it's hard to calculate exactly how much the fees for players have inflated in recent years. i've noticed that for big names and big talents the price has almost doubled but when it comes to older players or less know talents their prices havent gone up much. an example is how we paid like 7m for kaka and then 4 years later we paid 20m for pato (obviously it's a diff player and a diff club were dealing with but the scenarios are both very similar)

[Tennie]

Much as I adore Milan's RBs, I think Dani Alves is better. Off the top of my head, the only guy I think competes with him /right now/ for 'best in the world' is Zambrotta. I'd rate Zambrotta a little higher because he can play on both sides and, well, he's Italian. I'm biased.(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Portman]

Much as I adore Milan's RBs, I think Dani Alves is better. Off the top of my head, the only guy I think competes with him /right now/ for 'best in the world' is Zambrotta. I'd rate Zambrotta a little higher because he can play on both sides and, well, he's Italian. I'm biased.(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Zambrotta's performance last season in La Liga was pathetic. OK, he's 30 but still...
He and Thuram were pathetic.

Alves tops Zambrotta in every single thing: speed, stamina, attacking, defending, can take fk's and corners, the girls prefer Alves haircut (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , etc.

This post has been edited by Porty: Aug 28 2007, 03:12 AM

[Tennie]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Porty, you're commenting on haircuts? Gosh. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Okay, you can have dibs on Alves. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I agree that he's a wonderful talent, but would like to see him repeat his amazing Liga performance in a league that actually emphasizes defense.

[My pet theory on why Zambrotta, Thuram, and Cannavaro sucks last year is that it was a sort of karmic payback for their ditching the Zebras. Plus, they went from a league where defenders are gods to a league where they're....not.]

[kurtsimonw]

of course it's hard to calculate exactly how much the fees for players have inflated in recent years. i've noticed that for big names and big talents the price has almost doubled but when it comes to older players or less know talents their prices havent gone up much. an example is how we paid like 7m for kaka and then 4 years later we paid 20m for pato (obviously it's a diff player and a diff club were dealing with but the scenarios are both very similar)

They have inflated alot!

These were all record breaking transfers in the Premier League at their time:
£2 million in July 1994 (Chris Sutton, Norwich City to Blackburn Rovers)
£7 million in January 1995 (Andy Cole, Newcastle United to Manchester United)
£7.5 million in June 1995 (Dennis Bergkamp, Inter Milan to Arsenal)
£8.5 million in July 1995 (Stan Collymore, Nottingham Forest to Liverpool)
£15 million in July 1996 (Alan Shearer, Blackburn Rovers to Newcastle United)
£19 million in May 2001 (Ruud van Nistelrooy, PSV Eindhoven to Manchester United)
£30 Million in June 2006 (Andriy Shevchenko, A.C. Milan to Chelsea)

I think that's proof enough that transfer fee's have inflated a hell of alot. Alan Shearer was regularly scoring 25-30 at that time and was still in his prime, yet Shevchenko was bought for double the price AND past his prime.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 28 2007, 08:56 AM

[Rossoneri7]

Just a bit weird not to rate the best RB in the world for what, maybe 90% of the people... even dst.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So ... ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Plus I am part of that 10% arent I (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I never said he was cr@p though, all I said was he is too hyped up.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Aug 28 2007, 11:15 AM

[Rossoneri7]

@BigMac ... Inflation doesn't mean literally to inflate per say ... Inflation is part of the economic cycle, it is related with commodities and goods that relate to you in the 1st degree rather than speculated prices of football players.

Talking about players value and how it has increased is one thing, but it has no bearing in the laws and theories of inflation.

Pato cost X much because Chelsea were in the wings waiting for our deal to collapse ... Has nothing to do with inflation. A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

Thus inflation isn't another word for inflated prices. It is more of a technical term which is regulated by the central bank of each country.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Aug 28 2007, 11:14 AM

[kurtsimonw]

Well, I really know nothing about it so I should probably shut up.. But the only reason I say values have inflated is because there's now more money to go around, I thought that was what it was to do with? Maybe not.

So in football terms - the more money there is, the less it's worth. Since EPL teams have been given 66% more tv money than usual it would mean prices for players, especially involving EPL teams, have inflated? I must have something right. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 28 2007, 12:07 PM

[dst]

How has it inflated

With a pump! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes I did follow Sevilla ... And he is the perfect tactical tool; where u can play him in several positions on the right. But, he has yet to prove himself at a top club ... i.e. he lacks experience.

Look at Cicinho, before Madrid people were going crazy ... Now look at him, average at best !

Cafu on the other hand is a double world cup winner amongst his vast gold medal collection. He is of the highest quality ! Cafu is Cafu.
Alves, has yet to prove what he can do. Personally, I don't see a problem with him being in the Sevilla team on Friday ! I think it would be great to once again prove a point ! You bring him up against the likes of Kaka' or Seedorf and I will guarantee you he will be begging to be subbed after getting owned 12 times in the first 20 minutes (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Sure he has the speed and all that 'flair', but tell me when did he really turn it on against teams like Milan or Juve ?! IMO, he has a long way to go, cuz Spanish defenses aren't exactly Serie A quality (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Maybe in time he will mature and come clean, but as of now, he really isn't worth all this hype IMO.

oh and the best right back in the world is Oddo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

A club that finishes in the top 4 in La Liga is a top team and there wouldn't be much more pressure on him if he was playing for Barcelona or Madrid!

Cicinho was playing in Brazil before Madrid got him!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And I know you will agree with me on that Madrid hype up their future players...

Cafu is a legend no doubt... but it's not like he won those WC's on his own... he was blessed to always play with the best... Alves has never been given that chance...

Alves will probably not play against us in the final but he sure wouldn't be owned by Kaka and Seedorf! He would even give Clarence a head-start!!

Spanish defenses are not Serie A quality but Alves does not dribble past them... he just runs faster than them and Serie A defenders are not any faster! He would be deadly in Serie A! Maybe you should wonder what Ronaldinho is going to do in Serie A!! He's the one that will have problem and he's the one that lost the battle every time he played against Alves... I remember one certain game when he even had to retreat to the right side! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And what hype, Alves is not the one compared to the greatest players in football's history!

@BigMac ... Inflation doesn't mean literally to inflate per say ... Inflation is part of the economic cycle, it is related with commodities and goods that relate to you in the 1st degree rather than speculated prices of football players.

Prices have gone up a lot... that's not something you can deny... (unproven) players like Nani were not sold for 20m+ 5 years ago...

A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

That would be the worst example ever!!! Man are you really in the economy business!?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Juventus were in no place to negotiate for any of their players... their players wanted out and the board needed money... they should be thankful for what they got! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


As for the CR vs R20 issue, CR was clearly better than R20 last season so there's not that big a difference between them right now... and when CR begins to appear anywhere there will be none... Oh, wait! He's not Brazilian... too bad for him!

This post has been edited by dst: Aug 28 2007, 01:41 PM

[Rossoneri7]

With a pump! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

No sh1t

A club that finishes in the top 4 in La Liga is a top team and there wouldn't be much more pressure on him if he was playing for Barcelona or Madrid!

Cicinho was playing in Brazil before Madrid got him!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And I know you will agree with me on that Madrid hype up their future players...

Cafu is a legend no doubt... but it's not like he won those WC's on his own... he was blessed to always play with the best... Alves has never been given that chance...

Alves will probably not play against us in the final but he sure wouldn't be owned by Kaka and Seedorf! He would even give Clarence a head-start!!

Spanish defenses are not Serie A quality but Alves does not dribble past them... he just runs faster than them and Serie A defenders are not any faster! He would be deadly in Serie A! Maybe you should wonder what Ronaldinho is going to do in Serie A!! He's the one that will have problem and he's the one that lost the battle every time he played against Alves... I remember one certain game when he even had to retreat to the right side! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And what hype, Alves is not the one compared to the greatest players in football's history!

Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I don't know, but I know that Sevilla have a good team (with or without him!)

Prices have gone up a lot... that's not something you can deny... (unproven) players like Nani were not sold for 20m+ 5 years ago...
That would be the worst example ever!!! Man are you really in the economy business!??  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Juventus were in no place to negotiate for any of their players... their players wanted out and the board needed money... they should be thankful for what they got! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
As for the CR vs R20 issue, CR was clearly better than R20 last season so there's not that big a difference between them right now... and when CR begins to appear anywhere there will be none... Oh, wait! He's not Brazilian... too bad for him!

The value of certain currencies (i.e. money) has gone up, yes .... But inflation is a different issue. I wish I could elaborate more on it, but it would take ages .. Unless u know a thing or two on economics ..

economy business ?! I have a bachelors degree ... I have studied all this a long time ago .. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

economy business ?! I have a bachelors degree ... I have studied all this a long time ago ..  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

No it's not a problem... but not anyone is supposed to admire Ronaldinho as much as you do either, right?

Then you didn't really expect Giuve to get more than they did, do you? Look, I don't know what happens in other businesses but in football, when a player wants out and the team is also bound to sell him because they need the money his price goes to the bottom.

[Portman]

Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Of course not.

I'm just glad I agree dst in something. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

Of course not.

I'm just glad I agree dst in something.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The love we share is much bigger than any dispute!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

[misha]

You can't compare between Cafu at his prime and Alves now, but you can compare them at the same age. Cafu only moved to europe (Roma) at 27 and had his best years when he was close to 30. Alves only 24 now, and already the best at his position. He can improve even further and I have no doubt he will succeed at Italy. And Sevilla in the last two years are a top club (not Milan or Real but still...).

This post has been edited by mishale: Aug 28 2007, 03:02 PM

[Rossoneri7]

No it's not a problem... but not anyone is supposed to admire Ronaldinho as much as you do either, right?

Then you didn't really expect Giuve to get more than they did, do you? Look, I don't know what happens in other businesses but in football, when a player wants out and the team is also bound to sell him because they need the money his price goes to the bottom.

But I told u, I don't expect u to rate R10 ... The whole discussion started from something totally different. And it ended with people questioning me about why I don't rate Alves .. Well, I did say that he has quality, I never denied that .. I also did say that he is the perfect tactical tool. he can play in several positions. But for me to rate him and hype him up the way it has been going on, I would have to actually see him lift a world cup, win the CL, La Liga .. This is where I rate a player. After he has mature, gained experience, knows how to keep his cool on the big stages, etc ... An example here could be Gilardino. In Parma he was too good to be true !!! But in Milan, he is 3rd in the pecking order. So Alves right now is too good to be true for some of u in Sevilla, but in Madrid .. If he succeeds then you will see me praising him.

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Exactly, the Juve example !!! My quote:

Pato cost X much because Chelsea were in the wings waiting for our deal to collapse ... Has nothing to do with inflation. A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

Here I was clearing up why inflation has nothing to do with players value! So what if Juve were under pressure to sell for less ?! It just proves the point that inflation has nothing to do with players value.

Players moving from one club to another is as similar as you get a job offer and moved from one firm that u work for to another .. It depends on ur credentials and how good ur CV is .. And as for the player, it depends on his credentials etc ..

In any case, whatever (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)