[dst]

I'm glad somebody said it for me, if I came out with that I'd get bullied on here.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I though you were... prepared... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

No, I'm talking about Ronaldinho...

Nesta was and is the best CB in the world! He captained Lazio to a scudetto... and he was a big desire of Berlusconi... the biggest at that time... what he paid is only the exception that proves the rule! In Italy they do rate defenders highly but Italy is only a small part of the football world...

You are not the one who decides who's given the Golden Ball... what matters is that those that actually decide for it never gave it to Maldini or any other defender before 2006... That is a fact and that proves that they are underestimated!

I see you rate Ronaldinho really high... well, I don't. Roberto Carlos is a legend to me, so is Ronaldo... R20 has a long way to go to reach that level in my view... and if he keeps on putting money first he never will! If I was still 5 maybe I would be in love with every fancy move he makes but they hype around him does not affect me... I rate him for what he is not for what people think he is!

I don't think Alves is the best in the game, how the heck did you come up with that!?? And don't act like everyone must think as you do; I don't like Ronaldinho and that's it, you laughing is not going to change my opinion...

I did not compare Alves to R10...

Who said I was laughing ?!

And I wasn't talking to u in the first place ... U just jumping head in to a discussion where I was trying to understand how a wing back (Alves) is to be compared to a forward (R10).

If u and Kurt don't rate R10 .. That is ok, I am not his lawyer and I am not implying that everyone should believe that he really is the best. All I am saying is he has won a lot ! And he is, believe it or not, the MVP in Europe.

Carlos is a great wing back !! I never said anything to contradict this; all I said is he is a wing back and shouldn't be compared to a forward !

Ronaldo is the phenomenon and I have nothing more to add about him, wearing the Rossoneri jersey leaves little for me to add (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Nesta is the best centerback in the world (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't disagree there ... Madrid bought Pepe for how much ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... Thus it isn't an exception to the rule .. center backs like Nesta, Puyol, Terry, Ferdinand, Carrager, etc they would cost a fortune .. Thus it isn't an exception to the rule.

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

[dst]

Who said I was laughing ?!

And I wasn't talking to u in the first place ... U just jumping head in to a discussion where I was trying to understand how a wing back (Alves) is to be compared to a forward (R10).

If u and Kurt don't rate R10 .. That is ok, I am not his lawyer and I am not implying that everyone should believe that he really is the best. All I am saying is he has won a lot ! And he is, believe it or not, the MVP in Europe.

Carlos is a great wing back !! I never said anything to contradict this; all I said is he is a wing back and shouldn't be compared to a forward !

Ronaldo is the phenomenon and I have nothing more to add about him, wearing the Rossoneri jersey leaves little for me to add (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Nesta is the best centerback in the world (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't disagree there ... Madrid bought Pepe for how much ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... Thus it isn't an exception to the rule .. center backs like Nesta, Puyol, Terry, Ferdinand, Carrager, etc they would cost a fortune .. Thus it isn't an exception to the rule.

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

Well yes, he's won a lot... so does Deco... and Zidane... I can't see how some people can compare Ronaldinho but not Zidane to Pele and Maradona! Bergkamp has won little... does that mean he's crap!? What I'm trying to say is that it's not just about how much you've won... for me at least. R10 is undoubtedly a world-class player... but he's not as good as you are implying. He has not been more important for Barcelona than Deco and Puyol have in the past couple of seasons! Kaka is the MVP in Europe at the moment.

I rate Carlos higher than that... I was trying to say that he should have won the Golden Ball. Maybe even twice!

You just said Madrid are turning into an over-spending club... There are only around 10 defenders that would cost much! You named 5 of them... of course proven defenders (those 10 actually) are going to cost a lot of money! But still, how much would Puyol cost and how much would Eto'o cost!?? I don't think Eto'o is more important a footballer than Puyol! I was talking about unproven players in the first place... players like Nani and Anderson... we've seen dozens of them getting sold for crazy sums while Pepe is the only defender... he is an exception...

Alves had been hyped up!? Sure, who isn't? But in a much lesser extent than Ronaldinho whose picture should appear in vocabularies next to the word hype!! Why do you think Alves is not important?

This post has been edited by dst: Aug 26 2007, 12:25 PM

[Rossoneri7]

Well yes, he's won a lot... so does Deco... and Zidane... I can't see how some people can compare Ronaldinho but not Zidane to Pele and Maradona! Bergkamp has won little... does that mean he's crap!? What I'm trying to say is that it's not just about how much you've won... for me at least. R10 is undoubtedly a world-class player... but he's not as good as you are implying. He has not been more important for Barcelona than Deco and Puyol have in the past couple of seasons! Kaka is the MVP in Europe at the moment.

I rate Carlos higher than that... I was trying to say that he should have won the Golden Ball. Maybe even twice!

You just said Madrid are turning into an over-spending club... There are only around 10 defenders that would cost much! You named 5 of them... of course proven defenders (those 10 actually) are going to cost a lot of money! But still, how much would Puyol cost and how much would Eto'o cost!?? I don't think Eto'o is more important a footballer than Puyol! I was talking about unproven players in the first place... players like Nani and Anderson... we've seen dozens of them getting sold for crazy sums while Pepe is the only defender... he is an exception...

Where is this going ?! All I wanted to know was how one can compare Alves to Ronaldinho.

I do agree with 90% of what u said (10% being R10 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) .. And Bergkamp is a f@cking legend !!!! And Zidane, well it’s better we don’t go there (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

When I said he won a lot .. I didn’t tell u compare him to others, I’m defining what type of a player he is, a winner.

Alves had been hyped up!? Sure, who isn't? But in a much lesser extent than Ronaldinho whose picture should appear in vocabularies next to the word hype!! Why do you think Alves is not important?

Well to u R10 is hyped up … Do I ask u why ?! It's ur opinion of him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

When I said not important, I meant not important for me to discuss at full length .. But because I like u so much – we can do it all nite

[kurtsimonw]

I like u so much – we can do it all nite

Selective quoting at it's best. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sorry R7, only messing. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Selective quoting at it's best.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sorry R7, only messing.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

By all means ..

Plus, u probably weren't aware that dst used to be my ex ... So .. Well before the operation that is, she was a penguin back then (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's complicated

[kurtsimonw]

By all means ..

Plus, u probably weren't aware that dst used to be my ex ... So .. Well before the operation that is, she was a penguin back then (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's complicated

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[dst]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

What are you laughing at!?? You got a problem with penguins?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

What are you laughing at!?? You got a problem with penguins?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Not at all, I love penguins. They're very.. Black and white.

[dst]

Not at all, I love penguins. They're very.. Black and white.

I thought so!

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I've never got this Ronaldinho does as much as C.Ronaldo yet Ronaldo is always the one who's criticised on here. I imagine if Ronaldinho played in the EPL and Ronaldo in the La Liga, everyone would have a go at Ronaldinho (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Not really Ash ... CR would be great at futsal, he is undoubtedly a star in the EPL. He has brilliant ball control and is one of the best assist players in the game. SAF has brought out the best in him.

Yet, when you compare CR and R10 .. It is obvious that tricks are part of their game and that they both share the same quality, in that they are unique in their style of play. But the difference is that to me, R10 is a much more effective team player; an eg. would be in the CL when we faced Barca at San Siro and when we faced United at San Siro, R10 played more for the team, while CR tried to go for his usual runs and therefor it was much easier to close him down! Now I might be biased in this analysis, but the fact remains that R10 has much more to offer than CR on a football pitch.

[kurtsimonw]

For what it's worth. I think Cristiano is far more important to United than R10 is to Barcelona.

If R10 is struck down with injury, his left wing spot will go to Henry. Which in my opinion, would not effect Barca in a negative way at all. When Cristiano gets injured/suspended, his spot goes to Nani, who is.. let's just say, as manly as a baby girl, and a complete waste of time. United need Ronaldo in a big way, Barca could afford to let R10 go, and it may even benefit them.

In any case, they both care more about their own image/How good their tricks look than actually being a team player. I wouldn't take either of them.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Not really Ash ... CR would be great at futsal, he is undoubtedly a star in the EPL. He has brilliant ball control and is one of the best assist players in the game. SAF has brought out the best in him.

Yet, when you compare CR and R10 .. It is obvious that tricks are part of their game and that they both share the same quality, in that they are unique in their style of play. But the difference is that to me, R10 is a much more effective team player; an eg. would be in the CL when we faced Barca at San Siro and when we faced United at San Siro, R10 played more for the team, while CR tried to go for his usual runs and therefor it was much easier to close him down! Now I might be biased in this analysis, but the fact remains that R10 has much more to offer than CR on a football pitch.

Ok, one of the biggest effects for a team is to assist right, so what makes Ronaldinho far more effective? Ronaldo is United at the moment, look at how they are playing at the moment without him. Yes I know Rooney's not playing either but I don't rate that guy any more than I do Saha. Ronaldo is United, just as Kaka is Milan.

If Ronaldo plays bad United play bad, just look at our 3-0 demolition of them at the San Siro, once we stopped him the game was won. Roma couldn't stop him and they went to hammer them 7-1, freak result maybe but I'm sure if Ronaldo wasn't in that team it would have been a lot different.

Don't get me wrong I don't think Ronaldinho is rubbish maybe a bit overly hyped but certainly not a bad player. I just don't get how these 'meaningless tricks' as they are described on Ronaldo can really be said now, not after last season anyway! He has the end product something he lacked for his first few seasons at Old Trafford. Plus there's still the fact that Ronaldo is 22, Ronaldinho is 27...

[Portman]

About this news... Barcelona director confirmed that THERE'S NO INTEREST in Daniel Alves.