[kurtsimonw]

Ambrosini loses the ball way too easily for a DMF and I don't see how he is a better passer than the other two, especially Flamini. I don't think Ambrosini has ever made a forward pass in his career.

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No comment.

[Zed.D]

^^^ I think he's right in the first part:

Ambrosini loses the ball way too easily for a DMF and I don't see how he is a better passer than the other two, especially Flamini. I don't think Ambrosini has ever made a forward pass in his career.

[Tennie]

Example of good Ambrosini forward pass: the assist to Gilardino for the third goal in the Milan-Manchester semifinal in 2007. (Ambro was Gazzetta's MOTM for that game. I can dig out the player ratings, which I've got somewhere in a box, if people are interested.)

[Zed.D]

^^

That's why I said I agreed with only the first part of what dst said. I know he was exaggerating but still a fact is a fact.

[han2503]

Ambro > Flamini > Gattuso.

Only you would think this.

[han2503]

Good defensive skills, god in the air, decent passer, scores goals > good defensive skills, good engine > good engine, okay defensive skills.

Wow those tinted glasses are sure getting in the way of your better judgment... By good defensive skills you mean lunging around like a maniac for a million times in one match and probably only one of those is not concidered a foul (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Both Rino and Flamini are good at winning the ball in the air, just because Ambro scores a couple of goals doesn't put him above Rino and Flamini as last time I checked it isn't in their job description to score goals. And I'm not even going to bother with the good passer comment as Ambro is probably the worst passer in the team, he can't make a good pass to save his life if its longer then half a meter... And this you say while excluding Flamini who by far is our best passer from all the DMs.

The fact that all coaches choose Rino over Ambro, whether that's the NT coach or the club coach is indication enough of who is the better player.

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No comment.

dst is 100% right on this. Ambro is a terrible passer and if you look at him closesly during a match and count all the times he loses the ball you wouldn't be saying this. Ambro is the most frustrating player on our team, he's so limited as a player its ridiculous.

Example of good Ambrosini forward pass: the assist to Gilardino for the third goal in the Milan-Manchester semifinal in 2007. (Ambro was Gazzetta's MOTM for that game. I can dig out the player ratings, which I've got somewhere in a box, if people are interested.)

I don't know how that happened since there were at least 3 players on our team that had a far better game that night then him, those being Seedorf, Kaka and Rino.

[Jack Sparrow]

Whoa?? Amrbo was immense in that match man! Just coz he didn't get the crowd worked up. He's a silent worker. I like him a lot.

But did you just say Seedorf and good game in the same sentence? Are you trying to seduce me or something? Why're you being so nice? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

Whoa?? Amrbo was immense in that match man! Just coz he didn't get the crowd worked up. He's a silent worker. I like him a lot.

But did you just say Seedorf and good game in the same sentence? Are you trying to seduce me or something? Why're you being so nice? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I didn't say that it was because they got the crowd riled up then they had the better game. I'm just saying this based on what I saw and the 3 that I mentioned above had the batter game. Kaka was immense that night and not just because he scored the goal, same goes for Seedorf who just dominated the pitch. And Rino kept both Rooney and Ronaldo quite, they both barely got a look in because of Rino.

[dst]

Example of good Ambrosini forward pass: the assist to Gilardino for the third goal in the Milan-Manchester semifinal in 2007. (Ambro was Gazzetta's MOTM for that game. I can dig out the player ratings, which I've got somewhere in a box, if people are interested.)

That was a perfect example of a non-existent defense more than anything else. As Zed said I was of course exaggerating but I do think Ambrosini's passing does not help our attacking game apart from some exceptions that only prove the rule.

dst is 100% right on this. Ambro is a terrible passer and if you look at him closesly during a match and count all the times he loses the ball you wouldn't be saying this. Ambro is the most frustrating player on our team, he's so limited as a player its ridiculous.

To continue on passing, I think Rino's is just as bad but I think he's a better defender that does not make as many stupid fouls as Ambro at least not very close to our area. That's why I think of him higher than Ambro. As for Flamini, he's more or less as good as Ambro in defense but he's much better going forward than the other two and that's why he also comes ahead of Ambro. I don't think the blonde angel is as bad as you make him sound though.

[han2503]

To continue on passing, I think Rino's is just as bad but I think he's a better defender that does not make as many stupid fouls as Ambro at least not very close to our area. That's why I think of him higher than Ambro. As for Flamini, he's more or less as good as Ambro in defense but he's much better going forward than the other two and that's why he also comes ahead of Ambro. I don't think the blonde angel is as bad as you make him sound though.

In the past I didn't think he was so bad, but now he just makes me want to throw things at the TV, its not just the bad passing and the bad lunges, its the fact that for some reason he thinks he's a winger, you see him running on the left wing then crossing the ball to the people in the stands. Also the fact that he shoots the ball when there are better options, and its not like he has a good shot as he mostly just sends it flying to the crowds.

[dst]

I think he was asked to do those things by Ancelotti, the same way Brocchi was asked to play as an attacking midfielder...

[Zed.D]

I think he was asked to do those things by Ancelotti, the same way Brocchi was asked to play as an attacking midfielder...

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Or Seedorf as a winger/striker (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Carlo was really one of a kind! I'll never forget the game in which he fielded 6 defenders/FBs....

[Protagonist]

It is just unfair to call this player average. He is very useful, certainly not as explosive and virile as Gattuso, but he is as effective in his own way. You can not just claim he is useless.

[han2503]

It is just unfair to call this player average. He is very useful, certainly not as explosive and virile as Gattuso, but he is as effective in his own way. You can not just claim he is useless.

I didn't call him useless, I said he was frustrating and limited as a player. There is a big difference. I think he's a good player to have on the bench but certainly not starting material as there are better players ahead of him...

@ dst, whether it was Carlo's fault or not that he was playing as left winger, there are still far too many cons in his game that out weigh the pros. Imo the only thing he brings to the table that is better then Rino and Flamini is the fact that he's good at scoring from set-pieces, but I'd rather have the better players on the pitch then just putting on Ambro in the hopes that he scores off a set-piece

[kurtsimonw]

Wow those tinted glasses are sure getting in the way of your better judgment... By good defensive skills you mean lunging around like a maniac for a million times in one match and probably only one of those is not concidered a foul (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Both Rino and Flamini are good at winning the ball in the air, just because Ambro scores a couple of goals doesn't put him above Rino and Flamini as last time I checked it isn't in their job description to score goals. And I'm not even going to bother with the good passer comment as Ambro is probably the worst passer in the team, he can't make a good pass to save his life if its longer then half a meter... And this you say while excluding Flamini who by far is our best passer from all the DMs.

Tinted glasses? Come on, that's ridiculous. You are the same way (but opposite) about Rino and Ambro as I am, so don't play that card.

Rino and Flamini are terrible in the air. Yes, I'm not talking about in the opponnents box, but in the middle of the field and in their own box, they are terrible. I think Rino is terrible at passing a ball, Flamini is the type that will have a very good pass rate since he generally plays the ball short and quickly to the guys that can do something with it. Ambro is definitly more creative with his passing, yes he will make a bad pass every now and then, but he'll try more longer searching balls than the other 2.

The fact that all coaches choose Rino over Ambro, whether that's the NT coach or the club coach is indication enough of who is the better player.

I don't know how that happened since there were at least 3 players on our team that had a far better game that night then him, those being Seedorf, Kaka and Rino.

International level doesn't really mean anything. Pato hasn't been called up for Brazil, yet I think Fabiano has, does this mean we are stupid not to have signed Fabiano and sold Pato to Chelsea. We'd end up with more money and a better player.

I don't really recall Rino being picked over Ambro alot, he usually only ever misses games when he's injured or suspended. How we could have done with him in Istanbul, there's no way that would have happened if he played. While Rino had an abysmal 2nd half.

There were not 3 players that had a better game, Ambro was incredible that night, he won the ball back pretty much every time he attempted to, not just winning 1 every 10 with 'lunging' tackles. I think you'll find it was a smuch Ambro as it was Rino that kept Rooney and Ronaldo quiet, you're kidding yourself if you think 1 man can mark those 2 out of a game.

I don't agree with much of what the club does, but Ambro for captain is spot on.

EDIT: This is my last comment on the matter anyways, I won't be continuing it as there really is no point and we've been over it a million times +1.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 21 2009, 02:37 PM