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 Aug 17 2008, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 17 2008, 09:53 PM)  Isn't Kaladze higher in terms of seniority than Gattuso? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Or they're both about the same in their time with Milan? If he is, then shouldn't he be the vice to Ambrosini. Huh, dst? No he's not. Gattuso's been here longer. QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 17 2008, 09:54 PM) Oh, boy. This is gonna be good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What say you, Tennie? zd's got a point. I really don't think it's all about seniority. there are many measure to take into account. influence, behavior on and off the pitch, technical qualities, etc. Personally speaking, it'd be really stupid to make Brocchi, for example, captain of Milan ahead of Kaka. he's been with Milan more, but is not a quality and influential player and more importantly, he's almost always on the bench. these things will surely be considered. |
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Aug 17 2008, 07:32 PM
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Token Girl  Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
zd does indeed have a point and I acknowledge that.
Thing is, Milan has gone by the seniority principle...pretty much always. As long as I can remember. For reference, here is the seniority list according to acmilan.com (it's from an article on Maldini's player thread): Paolo Maldini: The 2008-09 season is the 25th in Milan's first team Massimo Ambrosini: 2008-09, 13th season with Milan Rino Gattuso: 2008-09, 10th season with Milan Kakha Kaladze: 2008-09, 9th season with Milan Christian Abbiati: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan Nelson Dida: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan Filippo Inzaghi: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan Andrea Pirlo: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan Cristian Brocchi: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan Sandro Nesta: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan Clarence Seedorf: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan Ricardo Kakà : 2008-09, 6th season with Milan |
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Aug 17 2008, 07:38 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 17 2008, 09:23 PM) Isn't Kaladze higher in terms of seniority than Gattuso? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Or they're both about the same in their time with Milan? If he is, then shouldn't he be the vice to Ambrosini. Huh, dst? ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) As much as I hate seeing Kaladze in a Milan shirt I have to say that yeah, hierarchy is hierarchy and when he's next in line he should become captain... I wish we kick him out before then though... the day he leaves will become a personal holiday! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE Christian Abbiati: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan I thought this was his 6th or 7th season with us... This post has been edited by dst: Aug 17 2008, 07:40 PM |
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Aug 17 2008, 07:41 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
Oh well, it ended sooner than I thought, but I agree with all what you guys said. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And I'm sure the management will choose the right guy for the job. Not making Kaka captain for the sake of not making him isn't right by any means.
But I'd certainly wait for my chance if I were him. No point in hurrying with this captaincy thingy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Aug 17 2008, 07:47 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 17 2008, 09:41 PM) But I'd certainly wait for my chance if I were him. No point in hurrying with this captaincy thingy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Just because one would make a good captain does not mean he should be made captain. There are other things that should be evaluated as well... and when a club promotes hierarchy, they should stick by it... Captaincy is worth waiting for and you become captain when they choose you to be, you don't force your way into it... hell, even Hitler was elected (unlike a certain living excuse of a human being... ) ... This post has been edited by dst: Aug 17 2008, 07:49 PM |
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Aug 17 2008, 07:49 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
Good point. And we don't even know whether Kaka will make a good captain or not. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The signs are all there, but still.
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Aug 18 2008, 01:48 PM
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Thing is Kaka is 26, while all of those who are on the list Tennie posted are 30 or more, and by the time Rino and Ambro retire/leave (three or four seasons. could it take longer?), they will be gone/reserved players too. it's not like nine players will wear the armband before Kaka eventually gets it. Pippo (35) for example has one or two more seasons to play, maximum. he will never get to wear the armband even if he continues to play until 40 as he will not be able to play regularly. same goes for Brocchi (32) and Dida (34) and even Abbiati.
IMO the order should be like this: Maldini Ambro Rino Kaladze Pirlo Nesta/Kaka. This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Aug 18 2008, 01:49 PM |
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Aug 18 2008, 02:13 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
That list works for me.
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Aug 18 2008, 02:19 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
Pirlo and Kaladze above Nesta?
No way... |
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Aug 18 2008, 02:21 PM
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Dida per sempre Group: Full Members Posts: 4,198 Joined: 25-February 07 From: St. Francis Member No.: 3,563 |
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 05:48 AM) IMO the order should be like this: Maldini Ambro Rino Kaladze Pirlo Nesta/Kaka. No way will Kaladze wear the armband for Milan. |
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Aug 18 2008, 02:28 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
It works for me too. Minus Kaladze. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Aug 18 2008, 02:37 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 18 2008, 05:49 PM) Pirlo and Kaladze above Nesta? No way... They've spent more seasons in Milan than Nesta. seniority may not count for Brocchi, but it sure does for these two players. QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 18 2008, 05:51 PM) No way will Kaladze wear the armband for Milan. QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:58 PM) It works for me too. Minus Kaladze. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Kaladze is rated by both our management and Carletto! and I'm sure he wore the armband a couple of time when there were no Ambro/Rino, Miz. The fact that almost no one wants him to be the captain is a completely different issue though! |
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Aug 18 2008, 02:59 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 06:37 PM) Kaladze is rated by both our management and Carletto! and I'm sure he wore the armband a couple of time when there were no Ambro/Rino, Miz. Both the management and Carletto have been wrong more than once. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I'm sure they can afford to be wrong again. It's Milan after all. |
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Aug 19 2008, 04:50 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,198 Joined: 5-August 08 Member No.: 4,011 |
Here we go again..
http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=825603 According to the Daily Star, Milan have decided to sell Kaka to Chelsea providing they receive a world record bid of €102m. --- Two problems... no quotations, and the Daily Star has been subjected to libel lawsuits in recent past. They also have had to apologize to the family for the reporting of the McCann disappearance... It's rather pathetic really. Why would Chelsea want to buy a player after their season started anyways? Regardless of when the transfer market closes... |
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Aug 19 2008, 05:00 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Just doesn't make sense at all really. They have enough attacking players as it is. They were able to leave Drogba out and win 4-0, so I'm pretty sure offense is the last thing they need working on.
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