[William405]

WTF? That's basically the same line-up that got r@ped by Udinese. The fact you put Ambrosini instead of Gattuso makes little difference.

Hm,the thing that got us r@ped against Udinese is Bonera.Seedorf may have been partially responsible for a goal,but now Nesta is back,we're going to be much solid in defense.Don't WTF me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[acid911]

The man's got a point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Bonera and Seedorf shared most of the blame, followed by the three As (Anotnini, Abate and Amelia) for the barrage of goals, and in the meantime ruining our defensive record. There should be no reason and excuse for a team like Milan to let in four goals, anywhere, anytime, and against any team.

So if we can get Nesta back in, and probably get Seedorf's behind to warm the bench, we could do alright if our attack fires again. Everyone remembers the 4-0 opening to the season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And frankly a repeat is very much possible if the team in general, and the attacking force in particular can bring their best game for this match.

[X-Offender]

Hm,the thing that got us r@ped against Udinese is Bonera.Seedorf may have been partially responsible for a goal,but now Nesta is back,we're going to be much solid in defense.Don't WTF me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You honestly think that Nesta instead of Bonera will make the difference? What didn't work against Udinese was the entire system, not just a player or two.

[William405]

Wait,sorry I don't think we did something new against Udinese,the match was full of events,and changes.You can't really judge the system on it...Furthermore,we we're using the system that was winning us many games before,their we're just different players.

The system you're suggesting may work against Lecce,but I don't see it working on any other team,specially with the DMs we have.

And,Benitez was criticized for playing 2 Dms in midfeild,lol.

[han2503]

You honestly think that Nesta instead of Bonera will make the difference? What didn't work against Udinese was the entire system, not just a player or two.

I agree that it was the system in general. But 2 of the goals should have been avoided, simply by a decent defender who can head the ball away when he's first to it, not let the attacker ghost in front of him and score, or another, if the keeper could make a simple save at this near post.

Yes the system was at fault for some of the goals, but individual mistakes were as well. Abate and Antonini were no where to be found on any of the counters, not to mention the crosses Udinese kept bombarding us with.

Nesta will do a lot in helping us in terms of the defense. Also yes Seedorf lost the ball, but he lost it near the opposition's box, I don't understand how the defenders and the DMs that were supposed to be covering should have let Di Natale practically dance through the entire half of the pitch and the bamboozle Bonera on the way. Also if we want to blame it on Seedorf for losing the bal, let's all remember that our DMs lose the ball as much as they recover it, especially Rino and Ambro who both can't seem to pass a decent ball to save their lives these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[X-Offender]

Wait,sorry I don't think we did something new against Udinese,the match was full of events,and changes.You can't really judge the system on it...Furthermore,we we're using the system that was winning us many games before,their we're just different players.

The system you're suggesting may work against Lecce,but I don't see it working on any other team,specially with the DMs we have.

And,Benitez was criticized for playing 2 Dms in midfeild,lol.

Yes, we did. We played Seedorf as deep lying playmaker and Robinho as trequartista. From a tactical point of view, we were playing a 4-3-1-2, but as the game progressed, it was more of a 4-2-4, with two defensive midfielders (Strasser, Gattuso) and four attacking players (Seedorf, Robinho, Pato, Ibrahimovic). Hence why Udinese r@ped our asses on major ground. We need more balance in midfield, and the system we were playing prior to Christmas was leading us in the right path.

[han2503]

Yes, we did. We played Seedorf as deep lying playmaker and Robinho as trequartista. From a tactical point of view, we were playing a 4-3-1-2, but as the game progressed, it was more of a 4-2-4, with two defensive midfielders (Strasser, Gattuso) and four attacking players (Seedorf, Robinho, Pato, Ibrahimovic). Hence why Udinese r@ped our asses on major ground. We need more balance in midfield, and the system we were playing prior to Christmas was leading us in the right path.

The system we used before christmas contained 2 DMs as well.

Problem here is centered around Pirlo. No matter how many DMs we stack in that midfield, if we cannot retain the ball and move it quicker then the snails pace we have adapted these last2 games then we're going to be put under pressure, no matter who the opposition is and how many DMs we have.

Pirlo needs to be there, he knows how to distributed the ball, keep it moving and make the smart pass that does not put his team mate under pressure like our other mids tend to do.

I've always said that 3 DMs is overkill, and using it to try to counter the defensive gaffs that happened against Udine won't solve any problems. We need Pirlo back ASAP. But until he returns a midfielder that can distribute the ball still needs to play or we won't get anywhere, at this point in time that it Seedorf. Problem with Seedorf is that Allegri is playing him as a DM, then when we got desperate he was pushed up a lot leaving the midfield exposed. Seedorf needs to play his old position, ie. left of the central midfield, let one of the DMs play the actual DM position, it's not rocket science FFS!!!

This is what I personally would like to see for the Lecce game

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Antonini
Ambro
Strasser--Seedorf
Cassano
Ibra--Pato

[il_diavolo_mtl]

The system we used before christmas contained 2 DMs as well.

Problem here is centered around Pirlo. No matter how many DMs we stack in that midfield, if we cannot retain the ball and move it quicker then the snails pace we have adapted these last2 games then we're going to be put under pressure, no matter who the opposition is and how many DMs we have.

Pirlo needs to be there, he knows how to distributed the ball, keep it moving and make the smart pass that does not put his team mate under pressure like our other mids tend to do.

I've always said that 3 DMs is overkill, and using it to try to counter the defensive gaffs that happened against Udine won't solve any problems. We need Pirlo back ASAP. But until he returns a midfielder that can distribute the ball still needs to play or we won't get anywhere, at this point in time that it Seedorf. Problem with Seedorf is that Allegri is playing him as a DM, then when we got desperate he was pushed up a lot leaving the midfield exposed. Seedorf needs to play his old position, ie. left of the central midfield, let one of the DMs play the actual DM position, it's not rocket science FFS!!!

This is what I personally would like to see for the Lecce game

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Antonini
Ambro
Strasser--Seedorf
Cassano
Ibra--Pato

seedorf out, flamini in. Seedorf should not be rewarded for the past 3 games. besides flamini might not be creative but he cycles the ball well and wins it back. not to mention his shots are accurate and powerful.

[X-Offender]

tl;dr

So, according to you, if Nesta, Ambrosini and Cassano would have played instead of Bonera, Gattuso and Robinho against Udinese, we wouldn't have conceded 3-4 goals? The problem is not the individual players, but the playing system. We simply cannot afford to play with only two DMs. Before Christmas, we were playing with Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini and Boateng. If you think carefully, that's nearly like playing with 4 DMs, considering none of them are proper offensive midfielders. Against Udinese, the only DMs who know how to defend were Gattuso and Strasser, hence the major @ss-whooping.

[han2503]

So, according to you, if Nesta, Ambrosini and Cassano would have played instead of Bonera, Gattuso and Robinho against Udinese, we wouldn't have conceded 3-4 goals? The problem is not the individual players, but the playing system. We simply cannot afford to play with only two DMs. Before Christmas, we were playing with Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini and Boateng. If you think carefully, that's nearly like playing with 4 DMs, considering none of them are proper offensive midfielders. Against Udinese, the only DMs who know how to defend were Gattuso and Strasser, hence the major @ss-whooping.

We conceeded because everyone was pushing high up to attack leaving only Bonera and Thiago back. Even the DMs were being pushed to far up, so had there been 3 instead of 2 we would have still seen the same result. Also, I said that some of the goals were down to the system, others were down to individual mistakes.

And a big lol at the 4 DM bit, Pirlo is not a DM, neither is Boateng, we were playing with Rino and Ambro in front of the defense Pirlo and Boateng were playing very high up the pitch. Boateng was practically part of the attack most of the time.

Packing the midfield with DMs is not the answer, it will just cause congestion without having any foward movement which is actually decent to move the ball to the atack. Again, we'll end up punting the ball straight from defense to attack in the hopes that Ibra pulls something out his @ss.

We'll most likely play with 3 DMs this weekend, and we'll probably win because Lecce are just that bad, but it won't be pretty and it will most likely come from a hopeful long ball to Ibra. Personally can't wait for Pirlo to get back. We'll drop this stupid 3 DM system that only works if Ibra is up to it and the opposition have defenders that can't cope with him, and go back to a system that actually works, which is a balanced one.

[samira]

Allegri: "Nesta? We are talking about in my opinion the best Italian defender ever, it is normal a club doesn't do as well without him."

- milannews

I hope he will be back

[Fillipo Simone]

According to Mediasets line-up, Milan will be fielding Bonera as LB. That must be a joke.

[dst]

According to Mediasets line-up, Milan will be fielding Bonera as LB. That must be a joke.

no, LB is short for liability in Bonera's case.

[han2503]

According to Mediasets line-up, Milan will be fielding Bonera as LB. That must be a joke.

Why he's still starting games after the nightmare against Udine is nothing short of a mystery. How Allegri can close his eyes to this but punish a player like Sokratis for a single mistake is ridiculous

[Fillipo Simone]

I don't get it. Bonera made so many horrible performances in the last 2 years, I simply cannot understand why he's been constantly picked over the likes of Yepes and Papa?? This is a real mistery to me. Just remember the helpless Bonera against Mancherster and Udinese and everything should be clear. Yet, coaches put him still ahead.