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post Jun 5 2007, 12:59 AM
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So you wanna a fight and then you agree with me?? What are you stupid???

Goddamn villains. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Btw if it makes u feel any better Villa are my number 2 club tied with Arsenal. Too bad the magpies gonna kick ur @$$ this season. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But back to topic....the last and if I remember the only time we played Ka-Ro-Oli....we burnt the pitch. The Brazillian trident was too good. And this with Pirlo still playing 'Man on the Moon', and Seedorf bothered about his butt manicure.

Things will be different if we throw the dice that way...one more time.
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post Jun 5 2007, 01:06 AM
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I'm not sure what I'm insulted by the most.. Being called stupid or having Villa mentioned along with Arsenal.

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And this with Pirlo still playing 'Man on the Moon', and Seedorf bothered about his butt manicure.


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I thought the word 'Manicure' meant something to do with the hands though? Not that I'm getting picky. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

In all seriousness. You can't give a striker that plays internationally for one of the best countries in the World just one year. Adaption is a big thing, once Oli grasps how the league is played, he'll alter his game to fit the league and he'll be fine.

It's not like Astronaughts can fly to space without any 'real' experience, so we can't expect Oliveira to be able to play in Italy without much experience.. Not that I'm comparing Serie A to a space shuttle.

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post Jun 5 2007, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 03:06 AM)
It's not like Astronaughts can fly to space without any 'real' experience, so we can't expect Oliveira to be able to play in Italy without much experience.. Not that I'm comparing Serie A to a space shuttle.
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post Jun 5 2007, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 03:06 AM)
In all seriousness. You can't give a striker that plays internationally for one of the best countries in the World just one year. Adaption is a big thing, once Oli grasps how the league is played, he'll alter his game to fit the league and he'll be fine.

It's not like Astronaughts can fly to space without any 'real' experience, so we can't expect Oliveira to be able to play in Italy without much experience.. Not that I'm comparing Serie A to a space shuttle.
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We bought Ronaldo and if world class striker would come (as promised) than we just don't have space for him. He will be 5th striker and I can't see him receiving many opportunities. He should find himself a nice team in Spain IMHO.
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post Jun 5 2007, 01:33 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 5 2007, 12:16 AM)


In space you've got to try and avoind big rocks. Or you'll be smashed to peices
In Serie A you have to avoid Rino and Vieira.. Or you'll be smashed to peices.

In space you have to be careful what you do otherwise you could lose all your oxygen and suffocate.
In Serie A you have to be careful what you do, otherwise Matrix will strangle you, and you'll suffocate.

In space Eastern European's are proven pro's. With the Russian space shuttles and all.
In Serie A, Sheva, an Eastern European is a proven pro.

If Oliviera was to go into space, I'm pretty sure he'd fail badly.
Oliviera is in Serie A and he's failed, badly.

There are many more similarities between space and Serie A. You'd be surprised at how many there are.. Sign Neil Armstrong up, I'm sure he'd be a hit in Serie A, too. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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post Jun 5 2007, 01:59 AM
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^^^^ LOOOOOOOOOL


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post Jun 5 2007, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
Most of the reason our strikers haven't scored is because Gila has played most of the games. He doesn't work well with Oliveira, but Oliveira hasn't done well. We didn't address the problem at the beginning of the season.
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That's BS, and you know it, at the biggening of the season Carlo was strarting Pippo and Gila TOGETHER with most of the midfield still on holiday after the world cup, and you can see how much this combo worked, to put it simply it was terrible.

Oli never worked here and as I previously said before no one at Milan and most fans don't expect Gila to do what you are saying, he's not a dribbler or a creative forward, if you want that then go for someone like Zlatan not Gila. Gila is a prima punte, just there to recieve passes and score just like Pippo. I really don't understand what you're expecting him to do!!

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
This isn't Parma, this is Milan. he went from being a top scorer and producer to not being able to score consistently. What I mean about fluke goals is that he doesn't create when we need creation. He's not a guy who can come in and score when we need it. There are players out there who can come in so its a competitive issue. We have given him opportunity after opportunity and Milan's management have optimistically backed him.
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He was never a producer at Parma he was a scorer. And he has scored important goals for us this season and even last season he had won us a couple of games with his goals, all be it against small teams but to win the league you need to win against the small teams also.

And he's not complaining about the competition in fact he said that he has no problem with it. He's probably more dissappointed in himself after a so so season where he knows that he could have done better.

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
We do better in the CL when he's not in there. He's on the pitch but missing through most of the scudetto games until a defender or the midfield score. We need world class players for a world class team and Gilardino doesn't fit it so well especially when he's complaining about Milan's treatment of him. Any other club would have thrown him to the curb.
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And I already said that he has been a let down in the CL so far, but he is getting better at it, a much bigger improvement over last season, and hopefully that goal against Man U helped give a big boost to his confidence in the CL.

As far as Serie A goes, he has been 1 of the top strikers in the competition over the last 4 seasons, his goal ratio is second to none.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 4 2007, 08:46 PM)
* Bayern releases a statement on sky sports saying they're close to getting Ribery
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I would bet that if we were to swoop for him we would get him easily. Why would someone as talented as ribery go to Bayern, and not just that, Bayern WITHOUT CL football?? Just doesn't make any sense.

He would be perfect to play alongside Kaka in the xmas tree formation for next season in the CL.

I really hope that someone ould wake Galliani and Co. up to try and go for him before he signs for Bayern, which imo is a totally stupid move on his part.

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post Jun 5 2007, 04:00 PM
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^^^I'm with Han 100% on the Gila issue. The guy is a World Cup winner and a Champions League winner and he's still only 25. With that sort of experience he is going to get better and better, and he already has a good record in Serie A.

As Porty said earlier, there will still be many minutes for him to play next season even if a world class striker comes in and he is third choice. The competition for a place will improve his game vastly. Just look at Drogba this season. Sheva arrives and suddenly Drogba realises he is going to really need to perform, and delivers an absolutely massive season.

The thing I like about Gila is that he is a very hard worker. Even if he hasn't been scoring in Cl, he works very hard for the team and you definitely can't call him lazy. His scoring record in the CL this season hasn't been great but in the knockout stages he was forced to play up front on his own which isn't easy. He picked up in Serie A when Ronaldo arrived and he had someone to work with.

I suspect the interview he gave to Gazetto reflects a bit of frustration and disappointment he feels about the criticism he has received and missing out on a start in the CL Final. I know Milan management have a high regard for him as a person so hopefully both parties can work things out and he stays and proves his value to everyone.
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post Jun 5 2007, 08:28 PM
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Milan name price for Gilardino

MILAN (Reuters) - AC Milan are prepared to sell unsettled striker Alberto Gilardino for 24 million euros (16.3 million pounds) if he still wishes to move, club vice-president Adriano Galliani said on Tuesday.

The Italy forward, who scored 12 goals in Serie A last season, had said he does not feel fully appreciated at the San Siro.

"The team continues to believe and have faith in him," Galliani was quoted as saying on the club Web site (www.acmilan.com). "However, his comments in recent days are not particularly pleasing to us and therefore if he continues to be unhappy and wishes to move, we will let him go if a club bids 24 million euros."

Filippo Inzaghi was preferred to the former Parma forward in Milan's Champions League final win over Liverpool last month and took full advantage by scoring twice.

Galliani added that only Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan and "a couple of English clubs" could afford Gilardino, who will miss Italy's Euro 2008 qualifier in Lithaunia on Wednesday after deciding to have knee surgery.

Milan struggled for goals in the early part of the season after selling Andriy Shevchenko to Chelsea. They brought in Ronaldo in January but have since been linked with the return of Shevchenko or a bid for Arsenal striker Thierry Henry.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 01:33 AM)
In space you've got to try and avoind big rocks. Or you'll be smashed to peices
In Serie A you have to avoid Rino and Vieira.. Or you'll be smashed to peices.

In space you have to be careful what you do otherwise you could lose all your oxygen and suffocate.
In Serie A you have to be careful what you do, otherwise Matrix will strangle you, and you'll suffocate.

In space Eastern European's are proven pro's. With the Russian space shuttles and all.
In Serie A, Sheva, an Eastern European is a proven pro.

If Oliviera was to go into space, I'm pretty sure he'd fail badly.
Oliviera is in Serie A and he's failed, badly.

There are many more similarities between space and Serie A. You'd be surprised at how many there are.. Sign Neil Armstrong up, I'm sure he'd be a hit in Serie A, too.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) nice post!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE (tom_valtellina @ Jun 5 2007, 07:00 AM)
^^^I'm with Han 100% on the Gila issue. The guy is a World Cup winner and a Champions League winner and he's still only 25. With that sort of experience he is going to get better and better, and he already has a good record in Serie A.


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Yeah a world cup winner and Champions League winner and contributed virtually nothing to the process of winning those awards. In the CL he deserves the golden flop award. Literally the press refers to Gilardino as the "Milan Flop." In the World Cup other players really made that happen.

The real key with his statistics is to consider that Milan have used him almost every game. With our midfield and defense setting up opportunities, Gila for the chances he's received has done close to nothing. At the same time its also the impact in the situation when those goals were score. Gila scores goals when we simply don't need them after we are routing a team 2-0, he'll score. In tight situations he has close to zero goals. His technique, scoring ability is the worst that I have seen for a top club.

He's a player that has gotten worse since the day he came to Milan. He went from top of the league to middle of the league and lets face it you got guys from Reggina and other small clubs there. If I was the coach he would not be the primary striker. I don't want to wait 4 years until he blossoms.

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QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 6 2007, 10:30 AM)
The real key with his statistics is to consider that Milan have used him almost every game. With our midfield and defense setting up opportunities, Gila for the chances he's received has done close to nothing. At the same time its also the impact in the situation when those goals were score. Gila scores goals when we simply don't need them after we are routing a team 2-0, he'll score. In tight situations he has close to zero goals. His technique, scoring ability is the worst that I have seen for a top club.

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If you guys don't admit that this part of what jbryant said is true, then you are simply being dishonest. This is a huge factor about Gila and his game to consider.
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QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jun 6 2007, 04:36 PM)
If you guys don't admit that this part of what jbryant said is true, then you are simply being dishonest. This is a huge factor about Gila and his game to consider.
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I am not saying it's untrue, in fact I agreed with him on this part. But I also said tha he is improving on scoring in under pressure situations. When last season he practically scored close to none in those situations this season he has come up with some moments.

@jbryant, As for the CL and world cup thing, maybe in the CL he didn't contribute, but you can't say that about the World cup because if you're going to criticise Gila for the WC you might as well criticise every striker that was on that team because none of them produced the goods.

At least Gila did contribute against The USA and Germany, look what the hot shot Luca Toni did (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) scored 2 tappins against Ukraine. How nice of him, Italy wouldn't have survived without his contribution (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Please!

And when you talk about season a player with lesser technique then Gila you might want to reconsider since half the time Pippo doesn't know why he's on a football pitch but we still root for him and is a fan favourite because he scores goals for us. Gila has 10x more technique then Pippo
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 6 2007, 11:58 PM)
I am not saying it's untrue, in fact I agreed with him on this part. But I also said tha he is improving on scoring in under pressure situations. When last season he practically scored close to none in those situations this season he has come up with some moments.

@jbryant, As for the CL and world cup thing, maybe in the CL he didn't contribute, but you can't say that about the World cup because if you're going to criticise Gila for the WC you might as well criticise every striker that was on that team because none of them produced the goods.

At least Gila did contribute against The USA and Germany, look what the hot shot Luca Toni did  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   scored 2 tappins against Ukraine. How nice of him, Italy wouldn't have survived without his contribution  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   Please!

And when you talk about season a player with lesser technique then Gila you might want to reconsider since half the time Pippo doesn't know why he's on a football pitch but we still root for him and is a fan favourite because he scores goals for us. Gila has 10x more technique then Pippo
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`But doesn't score goals ... At 25, Gilardino should have faith in his game, instead he is still a HUGE question mark.

What good is technique, if u don't score ?! I wouldn't mind him staying, he should just shut up and sit his @ss down, on the bench. When he opens his mouth, I just think it is best to shove him out.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 6 2007, 09:57 PM)
`But doesn't score goals ... At 25, Gilardino should have faith in his game, instead he is still a HUGE question mark.

What good is technique, if u don't score ?! I wouldn't mind him staying, he should just shut up and sit his @ss down, on the bench. When he opens his mouth, I just think it is best to shove him out.
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Agreed.

But I really don't see wht's so horrible and earth shattering about what he said.

The only thing he's saying is that he's open to competition for places but if players are unfairly chosen to start just because of their name then he will think about leaving.

Only just being honest about how he feels regarding the situation
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