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post Dec 11 2006, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 11 2006, 12:01 PM)
But while we are at it..this is what I think I would go for...a mixture of a 4-4-1-1 and a 4-2-3-1

-----------<Fiori>-----------------
Cafu----Simic----Paolo----Marek
----------Rino----Brocchi---------
---Pirlo------------------------Kaka--
----------------Oli---------------------
----------------Pippo------------------

Lemme see...

Rino-Brocchi so as to prop up our leaky defence and watch out for the almost assured counter attack philosophy which teams have been using to devastating effect against us.

Leaving Pirlo free to roam about on the bottom part of the opposing half and move up as need be. Rather than be shackled up.

Kaka and Oli if need be can switch positions during play. But mostly Kaka plays to cut in...he's too far back for effective man-marking, but not too far from Oli to be ineffective. 

One strategy I would adopt is to take a leaf from SAF. I've been working over this in my head and need a sounding board (han, R7, misha, Porto(urm Benfica (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ),dst..all of you). I think we should overload the wings.

Oli drops to the left side of the field....with Kaka as a threat and we have Janku overlapping, cue for Andy P, and Brocchi to push up close and Pippo to get his 'diving' flippers on( (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) Eventually enough room opens up back  for Oli to play the ball and rush into the penalty box....basically converting the wing play into a box overload. I'm convinced this will work, for one it's not outside anyone's skillset(I'm not using Ricky as a winger per se), and I'm convinced it's a style of play the Viola won't foresee or handle.

It's also the reason I don't have Seedorf playing. He doesn't have (isn't using?!) the pace to pull this tactic off.

Around the hour mark...I'll be taking Rino off to bring in Seedorf and switch to the diamond midfield Xcept....

                        -----Kaka-------
          -----Clarence--------------Pirlo---------
                          ----Brocchi------

Again Andy P with license to roam, until around late when Andy P is taken off for Zidaninho. Now we are basically in the dying minutes and as my good friend R7 would say, it's Pippo time.

4-3-2-1....Kaka and Oli alongside each other behind Pippo and then v have Clarence-Andy-Yoann....except Andy is more defensive minded....and Paolo is making sure Simic and Kalac don't do anything stupid.( He's God he can do EVEN that!!!)

Ok the problems I foresee are Cafu burning out , in which case I would switch PAOLO to RB and have Bonera come in for Cafu to partner Simic....yes I know that's a risk, but we don't have Nesta, our hands are tied.

Next too much stress on the left side...which is why I guess Kaka and Pirlo should rotate positions frequently so that Kaka can switch to the right side and Pirlo to the left, leaving Cafu to overlap again with Oli and Kaka.

  Now the offensive onus is pushed again onto Kaka, Oli and Pippo which I'm afraid is all we can do right now. I've (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) lost faith in Gila for THIS half of the season. We're not gonna see anything special from him b4 Christmas break and best avoid him till them and keep him as a sub. Pippo is experienced enough to not have this hit him mentally which is why I prefer Pippo. And no defence in the world is Pippo proof. Maybe some days they get lucky (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Well lemme know what u people think.
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I like .. very much .. What have we got to loose?? We should experiment, Carlo is too concervative, though I doubt he'll switch his tactics, I do believe we shoudl experiment .. Wild, we dont have the players for it, but so what (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

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post Dec 11 2006, 01:32 PM
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Listen guys im not sure if this calcualtion will help us but , we hav 23 games left to play in the Serie A now ive calculated and im not sure if im right but if we win every match from now until the end we should mass 69 points but lets say we dont win every match we are going for 60 or so points plus ours now so thats about 82 points thats if we win every match so we are not out of it just yet i have faith
and yes Carlo does need to change tactic to suit our team because of all the injuries as i said i think my calculations are right not sure i really hope so !!


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post Dec 11 2006, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ Dec 11 2006, 03:32 PM)
Listen guys im not sure if this calcualtion will help us but , we hav 23 games left to play in the Serie A now ive calculated and im not sure if im right but if we win every match from now until the end we should mass 69 points but lets say we dont win every match we are going for 60 or so points plus ours now so thats about 82 points thats if we win every match so we are not out of it just yet i have faith
and yes Carlo does need to change tactic to suit our team because of all the injuries as i said i think my calculations are right not sure i really hope so !!


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If we win 20 of our remaining games .. We'll be safe, but that is a BIG if
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post Dec 11 2006, 01:37 PM
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i hope so !! but i think we will plus the MERDA !! and away Roma !!
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post Dec 11 2006, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 11 2006, 09:01 AM)
But while we are at it..this is what I think I would go for...a mixture of a 4-4-1-1 and a 4-2-3-1

-----------<Fiori>-----------------
Cafu----Simic----Paolo----Marek
----------Rino----Brocchi---------
---Pirlo------------------------Kaka--
----------------Oli---------------------
----------------Pippo------------------

Lemme see...

Rino-Brocchi so as to prop up our leaky defence and watch out for the almost assured counter attack philosophy which teams have been using to devastating effect against us.

Leaving Pirlo free to roam about on the bottom part of the opposing half and move up as need be. Rather than be shackled up.

Kaka and Oli if need be can switch positions during play. But mostly Kaka plays to cut in...he's too far back for effective man-marking, but not too far from Oli to be ineffective. 

One strategy I would adopt is to take a leaf from SAF. I've been working over this in my head and need a sounding board (han, R7, misha, Porto(urm Benfica (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ),dst..all of you). I think we should overload the wings.

Oli drops to the left side of the field....with Kaka as a threat and we have Janku overlapping, cue for Andy P, and Brocchi to push up close and Pippo to get his 'diving' flippers on( (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) Eventually enough room opens up back  for Oli to play the ball and rush into the penalty box....basically converting the wing play into a box overload. I'm convinced this will work, for one it's not outside anyone's skillset(I'm not using Ricky as a winger per se), and I'm convinced it's a style of play the Viola won't foresee or handle.

It's also the reason I don't have Seedorf playing. He doesn't have (isn't using?!) the pace to pull this tactic off.

Around the hour mark...I'll be taking Rino off to bring in Seedorf and switch to the diamond midfield Xcept....

                        -----Kaka-------
          -----Clarence--------------Pirlo---------
                          ----Brocchi------

Again Andy P with license to roam, until around late when Andy P is taken off for Zidaninho. Now we are basically in the dying minutes and as my good friend R7 would say, it's Pippo time.

4-3-2-1....Kaka and Oli alongside each other behind Pippo and then v have Clarence-Andy-Yoann....except Andy is more defensive minded....and Paolo is making sure Simic and Kalac don't do anything stupid.( He's God he can do EVEN that!!!)

Ok the problems I foresee are Cafu burning out , in which case I would switch PAOLO to RB and have Bonera come in for Cafu to partner Simic....yes I know that's a risk, but we don't have Nesta, our hands are tied.

Next too much stress on the left side...which is why I guess Kaka and Pirlo should rotate positions frequently so that Kaka can switch to the right side and Pirlo to the left, leaving Cafu to overlap again with Oli and Kaka.

  Now the offensive onus is pushed again onto Kaka, Oli and Pippo which I'm afraid is all we can do right now. I've (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) lost faith in Gila for THIS half of the season. We're not gonna see anything special from him b4 Christmas break and best avoid him till them and keep him as a sub. Pippo is experienced enough to not have this hit him mentally which is why I prefer Pippo. And no defence in the world is Pippo proof. Maybe some days they get lucky (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Well lemme know what u people think.
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Even though I think that's a great formation, I don't think it would work. Pirlo isn't a winger, he doesn't have the pace to operate the wings so maybe Gourcuff could play there, instead of Pirlo. I like the 2 defensive mids, especially considering how strong are defense is, but my concern about it is that we won't have enough creativity, maybe Pirlo should play next to Rino or Brocchi.

This is basically what I would adjust to your formation

Cafu----Simic----Paolo----Marek
---------Brocchi--Rino------------
--------------Pirlo------------------
Gourcuff---------------------Kaka
---------------Oliveira-------------

I think our defense needs all the cover it can get so Rino and Brocchi should be played in front of them so they don't get exposed too much. Now having Pirlo just in front of them I think we will play better, Pirlo will just be there to make plays and not be tide down defensively. Kaka and Gourcuff operating the wings but cutting in and Oli spear heading the attack, cause he is the only striker we have that could be played in that position. Pippo is just playing terribly and Gila needs to resolve whatever problems he has, his problem is not physical but mental. And I would have preferred it if he missed that penalty completely rather then hit the post. Hitting the post once or twice is a coincidence hitting it the ammount we have been hitting is a pattern and we have to figure out how to change that pattern.

And with this formation we could easily switch to a 4-3-2-1 or a 4-3-1-2, with Kaka nd Gourcuff moving into the middle behind Oli and Pirlo going in between Rino and Brocchi, or Kaka moving into the striker position with Gourcuff behind them.
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post Dec 11 2006, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ Dec 11 2006, 12:32 PM)
Listen guys im not sure if this calcualtion will help us but , we hav 23 games left to play in the Serie A now ive calculated and im not sure if im right but if we win every match from now until the end we should mass 69 points but lets say we dont win every match we are going for 60 or so points plus ours now so thats about 82 points thats if we win every match so we are not out of it just yet i have faith
and yes Carlo does need to change tactic to suit our team because of all the injuries as i said i think my calculations are right not sure i really hope so !!


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At the moment we're 3 points ahead of the relegation zone. Until Christmas break we have to play Fiorentina (away), Catania at home and Udinese (away)... so just pray for Milan keep away of the relegation zone.

I wouldn't be surprised if... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Dec 11 2006, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Dec 11 2006, 02:18 PM)
At the moment we're 3 points ahead of the relegation zone. Until Christmas break we have to play Fiorentina (away), Catania at home and Udinese (away)... so just pray for Milan keep away of the relegation zone.

I wouldn't be surprised if...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Seems our players miss Juve so much, that they want to meet them again in Serie B...

Honestly, we shouldn't look at the top of the table right now. If we win 2 of our last 3 matches before the break this would be great, but it'll be hard work. And I don't see this team fulfilling the hard work....
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post Dec 11 2006, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (arivanjj @ Dec 11 2006, 11:14 AM)
that's it, more of that attitude... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (we'll be back on track before u know it)
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post Dec 12 2006, 09:54 AM
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@han:

I don't mean to use Pirlo as a winger....I mean to let him roam about. It's mostly Oli who'll have to drop wide left or right to double team with Kaka.

That's also why I got Pippo. My box overload won't work if all I've got is one striker. And you've got a point, if we put li'l Zizou he can probably play on the wings a bit and be a deep playmaker, but I trust Andy P more as a playmaker and in any case u can put in Yoann instead of Clarence in my above substitution plan. It was just that Yoann's played a lot of matches on a trot and I thought he should get back to his Italian lessons. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I actually got the idea of playing Andy P right from Istanbul (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Rafa did that to Gerrard and that was a sucker punch if I ever saw one. He changed the game from then on. B!tch!
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 12 2006, 08:54 AM)
@han:

      I don't mean to use Pirlo as a winger....I mean to let him roam about. It's mostly Oli who'll have to drop wide left or right to double team with Kaka.

That's also why I got Pippo. My box overload won't work if all I've got is one striker. And you've got a point, if we put li'l Zizou he can probably play on the wings a bit and be a deep playmaker, but I trust Andy P more as a playmaker and in any case u can put in Yoann instead of Clarence in my above substitution plan. It was just that Yoann's played a lot of matches on a trot and I thought he should get back to his Italian lessons. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I actually got the idea of playing Andy P right from Istanbul (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Rafa did that to Gerrard and that was a sucker punch if I ever saw one. He changed the game from then on. B!tch!
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I'm really not so sure about Pippo, he just been playing baaad. How many 1 on 1s did he miss already? Especially againsy AEK. And he's not that good at holding up the ball like Gila and even Boriello, because he doesn't have that much strength.

About pirlo, I don't know... it might work, and given our circumstances right now, it wouldn't hurt to try it. I remember during our champions league winning season, Pirlo was given a free role and we were playing a more acute diamond (even more narrow) but Pirlo wasn't tide down to a specific position. I think it would be better if we reverted to that, but again having Pirlo that far up? Not so sure. And as the punta I would prefer Gila, I think they played something like that at Parma (your formation) and I think he would work much better in it then Pippo.

And about Istanbul, I don't think the game was changed, it was a 10 minute black out, Rafa might have managed to nutralize Kaka more but apart from those 6-10 minutes it was all Milan, even in the extra time. It's just a shame that we didn't take all the chances we created. When Sheva misses 2 goal line chances, then you know it's not going to be your night (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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this would be my line-ups for this match

--------------Kalac-----------------
Cafu----Simic----Paolo----Marek
----------------Rino----------------
----Pirlo-----------------Seedorf---
-----------------Kaka------------------
---------Oliveira-----Pippo--------------

i think paolo and simic make a good partnership while they have rino infront of him it'll be enough for our defense cause this match we cannot sit back and defend so seedorf and kaka should be able to help Oli or hopefully Pippo could pull something off.
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-------kalac-----------
cafu---maldini---simic---janku
---------brocchi---------
---gat----pirlo----dorf
---------kakakakaka------
------------oli---------------
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post Dec 13 2006, 08:37 AM
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I don't think it wise to have Rino play a full match so soon. We'll need him come Feb and March and the heavy duty CL starts.

I feel sorry to have to push Yoann this way, but we are desperate. Darn, shouldn't have lost Vogel!

So Brocchi, Ricky,Andy, Clarence for me, with Yoann as a sub for Clarence, since turtle is not 100%.

Oli and Pippo up front. Whatever mental block Gila's been having, it's probably gone up 2 storeys now after that penalty miss. I'd have him as a sub for Pippo, though I think Carlo will take Oli off for Gila.
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maybe, i don't think so. I think he'll play gila oli if he is gonna play two strikers.
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Yeah I guess..maybe to put him in a positive frame of mind for the winter break...
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