So basically you attack the one player who actually looked like he cared and tried to make things happen?

That's truly unfair IMO.

Well, what would be fair? I'm not attacking anyone, I just make an assessment: by raising his work-ethic and running he's trying to make up for lack of the things a striker/winger should have. I just think it's not gonna end well.

I think it's ludicrous to diminish his contribution based on the result. We know he's got faults but it seems to me like you're picking on him more than any of the rest of the team, when he was the best player out there for us.

Say what? We've conceded 10 goals in 3 games and scored 0. How can that mean little? In general, yes, they're mostly preparatory games, but in our context they're a clear sign of the team's quality. It's bloody obvious that like this we're not going anywhere. 8th place? Nah, more like 13th place.

But you know, it's our damn fault as well. It's like us fans seem to have accepted the status quo and don't seem too contrived about the management. I'm mostly talking about the curva et al. When Juve finished 7th there were huge protests in Turin all over the place, and I'll be damned if they didn't push the club to force their hand into signings. Us, instead, we criticize Galliani and yet we let him play us like fools over and over again.

Enough is enough! If we don't spend and sign adequate players by 31 August, then sh*t has to hit the fan. This management has to understand that they're running this club to the ground and we're not gonna take it anymore. Otherwise, we just shut the hell up and accept the fact that we've legitimately become a mid-table side.

Scored 1, or so I've heard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Against Manchester City, 5-1.

Relax. What do you want? Should we shut down Milanfan in protest?

The curva protested at the Casa Milan opening. Season ticket sales are at an alltime low. What more should fans do? You want them to lynch Galliani?

We can sit and spout venom online all we want. Honest truth is that in Italy fans often have the least control especially on very tightly held private clubs.

Think of Lazio. The curva and Lotito fight almost every second day. How much has it influenced Lotito's decisionmaking? Zero!

Ludicrous? So I'm not allowed to cast my doubt over a player since he played "less bad" or was "the best out of a disjointed bunch"? My comment on Niang was a general one. Yes, he worked hard in this friendly, but do you think he's suitable for us as a winger or striker? I just don't see it in him, and a hunderd more games like the Liverpool one won't change this IMO.


Agreed.


Well, I think we should do something you know. That last move with Tavecchio was a dealbreaker for me.

Not shut down Milanfan, but a letter of protest is what I have in mind.

Maybe it does not influence the decision-makers, but it sure as hell puts extra pressure on them and gives a possible opposition more strength.

I mean a massive, organized protest from fans all over Italy, not just sporadic squabbles from a bunch of individuals. There's nothing to stay relaxed about. A month ago when Han was being overly critical about the management I said to wait and be optimistic cos I felt things would be different this summer, but we're now in August and we haven't signed sh*t except for three lousy free agents. All we keep haring is "this one has to leave before we sign anyone", "that one has to leave blah blah blah". There's zero planning, zero ambitions, and I'm personally way past the point of endurance.

Problem is I think half our fans have deserted to Real Madrid now.

Can't say I blame them either. It WOULD be by the strictest definition -GLORYHUNTING - but at some point we were all gloryhunting in some way before we joined Milan. I became a fan in 2002 because of Shevchenko...I supported many other teams before then!

What do we have left?
Family Values? - That's laughable given the way things went down with L30, Maldini and the latest Seedorf fiasco....not to mention we can't even support Albertini's candidacy

Football strength? - we can't even get a win in the f**kin Guinness Cup

Iconic players? - the last one left....his name was Kaka. Abbiati is theoretically a senatore but I feel 0 affection for his fascist @$$

Charismatic leadership? - I'll leave you to formulate your own expletive laden response. It's an indictment that our most interested leader is someone who knows 0 about football (Barbara). Inzaghi has, to our disappointment, been spouting off the same nonsense that "we have the most international titles: etc etc

Entertaining football? - Nope


Honestly it's PURE sentiment that's holding me over...the moments we had with Kaka, Maldini, Nesta, Sheva, R99 and of course the greatest player of all time Ibrahim Ba (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

He was the most lively player
despite :
-the loss
-us not being parma
-you not feeling it's enough
-his finishing inching encouragingly closer to being just short of bad (it was atrocious last year)
-Your expectations of him
-your belief that he displayed a poor personality during the game


I have opinions on players as well, but I would be careful fogging the borders between them and actual match results....Which player do you think played better and showed more heart, personality and drive?

He's no world beater, to be sure, but this is a judgement call on your part having little to do with his performance ....

I watched him the whole USA tournament. I think he improved, he may have been the best out of an embarrassing tour that will surely leave some consequences. It's a judgment call, so what? Point is, the most important aspects for a striker/winger haven't improved with Niang. Unlike han, I don't believe a loan deal would do any good. I think we should sell him. What's the problem with my assessment? You guys have been shouting years ago "sell this one, sell that one", "release player XY". Now I say I don't see it in Niang (and that's even despite he was the "best" during our defeat(s)) all of a sudden it's something bad? I guess, just because he's young...

I agree. Niang should be sold. He's just not good enough.

Well, from his statements Inzaghi seems to see something in him, and has mentioned that we should give him the time to grow. I agree with your assessment Pippo, I haven't seen anything in him that indicates he can be a great footballer..he has a good work ethic though.

The problem with Niang is that he's a winger stuck in the body of a striker. I think he'd be better as an out and out striker, the only problem with that is the fact that he has no sense of aim. He has the physicality, skill, ability t play with his back to goal and turn.

I do think we should loan him to a Serie A side that will play him regularly. At this point we have nothing to lose, it's not like we're paying him millions