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Aug 22 2010, 07:30 PM
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Obviously Dzeko is the choice for most people. But Wolfsburg have practically erected an the Berlin wall around him. So he's not going to happen
I still don't understand why he sugned the contract extension. He would have been out of there by now if he hadn't. I guess he thought that he would do his club a favour and play on for another year, so they don't lose him on a free, and they would sell him the following summer, but he's obviously gotten the short end of the stick out of the deal as now he seems to be stuck
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Aug 22 2010, 07:32 PM
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The difference in what he earned before and after the contract extension is immense (he earned very little until then), and that while his new contract ends only 1 season later, and also they promised him he would be sold this summer.
I don't understand why people can be upset about him for signing that extension (not meaning you, han, at least, dunno about you, but too many people are pissed at him for that).
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Aug 22 2010, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 22 2010, 06:32 PM) The difference in what he earned before and after the contract extension is immense (he earned very little until then), and that while his new contract ends only 1 season later, and also they promised him he would be sold this summer.
I don't understand why people can be upset about him for signing that extension (not meaning you, han, at least, dunno about you, but too many people are pissed at him for that). Well obviously he got a big raise in salary, but he would have gotten that if he moved clubs either way, so I don't think money factored into it. I'm not mad because of the extension because like I said, he was trying to do the honourable thing, he extended so his club wouldn't lose him for free, he obviously thought that by doing Wolfsburg that favour they would do the decent thing and give him what he wants the following summer and sell him. Obviously they didn't do that, and don't care whether their player is happy or not and aren't really decent enough to repay a favour with another
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Aug 22 2010, 07:58 PM
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Dzeko vs. Ibra
Physically/Technically speaking: Dzeko can do everything that Ibra does. He's tall, broad shoulders, great control, great header, cannon shot. Therefore, both make for great center forwards. But what makes Dzeko different, is that while he can play CF, he's faster and willing to run (maintaining a higher work rate on pitch). The difference I'm talking about is similar to the difference between Torres v. Berbatov. One runs and helps the team, the other needs the team to help him. Ibra is like the latter.
Edge: Dzeko.
Mentality: Edin is less arrogant on/off the pitch. (I'm not saying we don't have any arrogant players, except coming to think of it prior to signing Boateng the closest we have would be Seedorf, who isn't even arrogant, just opinionated). By this i mean, rather than stand completely still and try some unnecessary, flamboyant skill to control a ball, Dzeko plays with a little less nonsense. While Ibra's outrageous control comes off god-like at times, it's also completely frustrating at other (sometimes crucial) times. Dzeko would rather keep it simple, make the subtle but efficient touches. Everything Ibra does must be complicated, and this quality is annoying. That's why I'd take a guy like Diego Milito in my team over Ibra any day - He may be less, naturally technically gifted, but he plays with simplicity, team work, and efficiency, and therefore he's a more dangerous player.
Character: Dzeko rewarded Wolfsburg for investing in him by STAYING, and signing a contract extension to play another year at Armin Veh's request. He COULD have come to us, but said he'll do it (this) summer and respect his team. He also protected them by signing that contract extension, to ENSURE that they'll get paid fairly for his services and he wouldn't leave on a free. That's loyalty. Only now that Wolfsburg have undergone changes in the technical and upper management positions is Edin getting upset, because Wolfsburg won't honor the agreement that previous coaches had with him. That's fair. He's allowed to get upset. He kept his promise to the club, the club didn't keep their promise to him. He's said he wants to be a Milanista since a child, and has gone on to reject every offer (from any big team) just so we can lodge our bid for him.
Ibra on the other hand couldn't care less about the team he plays for. He couldn't care less for the fans that cheer for him. He'd swap Juve for Inter, and then Inter for Milan (one year removed) and wouldn't bat an eye. He's a money/glory-hungry mercenary. If he came to Milan, it'd be only because it's convenient FOR HIM, not because he loves AC Milan..
Edge: Dzeko.
Winner: Dzeko, Dzeko, Dzeko.
With that said: Dzeko's not gonna be released until next summer, at which point he'd be ours. If we could treat Ibra like he treats everyone else, by signing him on a loan, and sending him back no matter how well he does cuz next season Dzeko is our real objective and Ibra was just a stop-gap, i'd be over the moon. In that case, I'd say take Ibra on loan immediately. BUT, if us getting Ibra excludes Dzeko from Milan, then f*******k off Ibra.
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Aug 22 2010, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (vnata001 @ Aug 22 2010, 10:28 PM) Dzeko vs. Ibra
Physically/Technically speaking: Dzeko can do everything that Ibra does. He's tall, broad shoulders, great control, great header, cannon shot. Therefore, both make for great center forwards. But what makes Dzeko different, is that while he can play CF, he's faster and willing to run (maintaining a higher work rate on pitch). The difference I'm talking about is similar to the difference between Torres v. Berbatov. One runs and helps the team, the other needs the team to help him. Ibra is like the latter.
Edge: Dzeko.
Mentality: Edin is less arrogant on/off the pitch. (I'm not saying we don't have any arrogant players, except coming to think of it prior to signing Boateng the closest we have would be Seedorf, who isn't even arrogant, just opinionated). By this i mean, rather than stand completely still and try some unnecessary, flamboyant skill to control a ball, Dzeko plays with a little less nonsense. While Ibra's outrageous control comes off god-like at times, it's also completely frustrating at other (sometimes crucial) times. Dzeko would rather keep it simple, make the subtle but efficient touches. Everything Ibra does must be complicated, and this quality is annoying. That's why I'd take a guy like Diego Milito in my team over Ibra any day - He may be less, naturally technically gifted, but he plays with simplicity, team work, and efficiency, and therefore he's a more dangerous player.
Character: Dzeko rewarded Wolfsburg for investing in him by STAYING, and signing a contract extension to play another year at Armin Veh's request. He COULD have come to us, but said he'll do it (this) summer and respect his team. He also protected them by signing that contract extension, to ENSURE that they'll get paid fairly for his services and he wouldn't leave on a free. That's loyalty. Only now that Wolfsburg have undergone changes in the technical and upper management positions is Edin getting upset, because Wolfsburg won't honor the agreement that previous coaches had with him. That's fair. He's allowed to get upset. He kept his promise to the club, the club didn't keep their promise to him. He's said he wants to be a Milanista since a child, and has gone on to reject every offer (from any big team) just so we can lodge our bid for him.
Ibra on the other hand couldn't care less about the team he plays for. He couldn't care less for the fans that cheer for him. He'd swap Juve for Inter, and then Inter for Milan (one year removed) and wouldn't bat an eye. He's a money/glory-hungry mercenary. If he came to Milan, it'd be only because it's convenient FOR HIM, not because he loves AC Milan..
Edge: Dzeko.
Winner: Dzeko, Dzeko, Dzeko.
With that said: Dzeko's not gonna be released until next summer, at which point he'd be ours. If we could treat Ibra like he treats everyone else, by signing him on a loan, and sending him back no matter how well he does cuz next season Dzeko is our real objective and Ibra was just a stop-gap, i'd be over the moon. In that case, I'd say take Ibra on loan immediately. BUT, if us getting Ibra excludes Dzeko from Milan, then f*******k off Ibra. i am very hopeful , i wish you will be Very right !!
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Aug 22 2010, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE (vnata001 @ Aug 22 2010, 08:58 PM) Dzeko vs. Ibra
Physically/Technically speaking: Dzeko can do everything that Ibra does. He's tall, broad shoulders, great control, great header, cannon shot. Therefore, both make for great center forwards. But what makes Dzeko different, is that while he can play CF, he's faster and willing to run (maintaining a higher work rate on pitch). The difference I'm talking about is similar to the difference between Torres v. Berbatov. One runs and helps the team, the other needs the team to help him. Ibra is like the latter.
Edge: Dzeko.
Mentality: Edin is less arrogant on/off the pitch. (I'm not saying we don't have any arrogant players, except coming to think of it prior to signing Boateng the closest we have would be Seedorf, who isn't even arrogant, just opinionated). By this i mean, rather than stand completely still and try some unnecessary, flamboyant skill to control a ball, Dzeko plays with a little less nonsense. While Ibra's outrageous control comes off god-like at times, it's also completely frustrating at other (sometimes crucial) times. Dzeko would rather keep it simple, make the subtle but efficient touches. Everything Ibra does must be complicated, and this quality is annoying. That's why I'd take a guy like Diego Milito in my team over Ibra any day - He may be less, naturally technically gifted, but he plays with simplicity, team work, and efficiency, and therefore he's a more dangerous player.
Character: Dzeko rewarded Wolfsburg for investing in him by STAYING, and signing a contract extension to play another year at Armin Veh's request. He COULD have come to us, but said he'll do it (this) summer and respect his team. He also protected them by signing that contract extension, to ENSURE that they'll get paid fairly for his services and he wouldn't leave on a free. That's loyalty. Only now that Wolfsburg have undergone changes in the technical and upper management positions is Edin getting upset, because Wolfsburg won't honor the agreement that previous coaches had with him. That's fair. He's allowed to get upset. He kept his promise to the club, the club didn't keep their promise to him. He's said he wants to be a Milanista since a child, and has gone on to reject every offer (from any big team) just so we can lodge our bid for him.
Ibra on the other hand couldn't care less about the team he plays for. He couldn't care less for the fans that cheer for him. He'd swap Juve for Inter, and then Inter for Milan (one year removed) and wouldn't bat an eye. He's a money/glory-hungry mercenary. If he came to Milan, it'd be only because it's convenient FOR HIM, not because he loves AC Milan..
Edge: Dzeko.
Winner: Dzeko, Dzeko, Dzeko.
With that said: Dzeko's not gonna be released until next summer, at which point he'd be ours. If we could treat Ibra like he treats everyone else, by signing him on a loan, and sending him back no matter how well he does cuz next season Dzeko is our real objective and Ibra was just a stop-gap, i'd be over the moon. In that case, I'd say take Ibra on loan immediately. BUT, if us getting Ibra excludes Dzeko from Milan, then f*******k off Ibra. Great post, agreed 100%.
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Aug 22 2010, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 22 2010, 06:54 PM) It's not, it's disrespectful to Abate to say what you just said. Surely considering the little he was played as right back, he wasn't as awful as right back you make it out to be. There is just a lot of room for improvement. I believe against the weaker sides he wouldn't be a bad right back for us. First of all, Abate was played more then "just a little." Secondly, he was crap, pure crap. He ain't no defender, so he cannot be blamed. Why not try Pippo do the DM? Would he suck? Surely. That's how it goes.
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Aug 22 2010, 11:02 PM
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Great post vnata.
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Aug 22 2010, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 22 2010, 10:52 PM) First of all, Abate was played more then "just a little." Secondly, he was crap, pure crap. He ain't no defender, so he cannot be blamed. Why not try Pippo do the DM? Would he suck? Surely. That's how it goes. The Pippo Abate comparison is even more ridiculous thatn giving Abate 0,0 credit for his first season as RB. Okay, you aren't impressed, but no need to exaggerate.
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Aug 22 2010, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (vnata001 @ Aug 22 2010, 12:58 PM) Dzeko vs. Ibra
Physically/Technically speaking: Dzeko can do everything that Ibra does. He's tall, broad shoulders, great control, great header, cannon shot. Therefore, both make for great center forwards. But what makes Dzeko different, is that while he can play CF, he's faster and willing to run (maintaining a higher work rate on pitch). The difference I'm talking about is similar to the difference between Torres v. Berbatov. One runs and helps the team, the other needs the team to help him. Ibra is like the latter.
Edge: Dzeko.
Mentality: Edin is less arrogant on/off the pitch. (I'm not saying we don't have any arrogant players, except coming to think of it prior to signing Boateng the closest we have would be Seedorf, who isn't even arrogant, just opinionated). By this i mean, rather than stand completely still and try some unnecessary, flamboyant skill to control a ball, Dzeko plays with a little less nonsense. While Ibra's outrageous control comes off god-like at times, it's also completely frustrating at other (sometimes crucial) times. Dzeko would rather keep it simple, make the subtle but efficient touches. Everything Ibra does must be complicated, and this quality is annoying. That's why I'd take a guy like Diego Milito in my team over Ibra any day - He may be less, naturally technically gifted, but he plays with simplicity, team work, and efficiency, and therefore he's a more dangerous player.
Character: Dzeko rewarded Wolfsburg for investing in him by STAYING, and signing a contract extension to play another year at Armin Veh's request. He COULD have come to us, but said he'll do it (this) summer and respect his team. He also protected them by signing that contract extension, to ENSURE that they'll get paid fairly for his services and he wouldn't leave on a free. That's loyalty. Only now that Wolfsburg have undergone changes in the technical and upper management positions is Edin getting upset, because Wolfsburg won't honor the agreement that previous coaches had with him. That's fair. He's allowed to get upset. He kept his promise to the club, the club didn't keep their promise to him. He's said he wants to be a Milanista since a child, and has gone on to reject every offer (from any big team) just so we can lodge our bid for him.
Ibra on the other hand couldn't care less about the team he plays for. He couldn't care less for the fans that cheer for him. He'd swap Juve for Inter, and then Inter for Milan (one year removed) and wouldn't bat an eye. He's a money/glory-hungry mercenary. If he came to Milan, it'd be only because it's convenient FOR HIM, not because he loves AC Milan..
Edge: Dzeko.
Winner: Dzeko, Dzeko, Dzeko.
With that said: Dzeko's not gonna be released until next summer, at which point he'd be ours. If we could treat Ibra like he treats everyone else, by signing him on a loan, and sending him back no matter how well he does cuz next season Dzeko is our real objective and Ibra was just a stop-gap, i'd be over the moon. In that case, I'd say take Ibra on loan immediately. BUT, if us getting Ibra excludes Dzeko from Milan, then f*******k off Ibra. great post but what if ibra scores 30 goals....are you still willing to swap him for a player like dzeko who could potentially flop? I mean huntelaar was the same thing when he was at ajax. They would write books about him and his game and madrid had to pay a hefty 25m to acquire him aswell. When he came here, the media was calling madrid stupid for letting him go and that he was the next van basten and that galliani was a genius for signing him. But it didn't work out because huntelaar flopped in milan. What makes dzeko any different? You seem very certain that Dzeko will do well in this league.
This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 22 2010, 11:47 PM
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Aug 23 2010, 05:02 AM
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QUOTE (vnata001 @ Aug 22 2010, 02:58 PM) Winner: Dzeko, Dzeko, Dzeko.
With that said: Dzeko's not gonna be released until next summer, at which point he'd be ours. If we could treat Ibra like he treats everyone else, by signing him on a loan, and sending him back no matter how well he does cuz next season Dzeko is our real objective and Ibra was just a stop-gap, i'd be over the moon. In that case, I'd say take Ibra on loan immediately. BUT, if us getting Ibra excludes Dzeko from Milan, then f*******k off Ibra. No one doubts Dzeko is the superior player. I just dont see why would assume "he would be ours" next summer. Yes, he made some comments last year... he also made comments recently about how happy he would be to go to Juve! If he has another big year every major club will be hot on him - and most of them are already. He's been mentioned with Man City a ton this summer. Also, what happens if Dzeko gets hurt? Or doesn't perform? You would really want to forgo a year of Ibra (who is 90% of Dzeko anyway) because of the chance it could mess up the possibility of us landing Dzeko next year? Huh? I'll take Ibra now - essentially at a discount, too - over the chance we can get Dzeko next year. Personally, I think Dzeko ends up at Man City next year. I would be disgusted if Milan passed on Ibra this year and that happened. With Ibra the team has a real shot at the Scudetto and can be very dangerous in Europe... and this could be our last shot with Ronaldinho, too.
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