IT is tragedy. 38 years young....

absolutely there weren't football fans. Just a trouble makers. Nevertheless I think there is more to it than just a riot. For years soccer fans patients has been really tested. Fixed games, corrupt refs, bad deals....you name it. Why FIFA or UEFA strongly refuse cameras during a game (just like is in NHL). IF ref is not sure of his judgment he can call upstairs and ask for help. Another ref watches replay and send a call about dive, foul , hand ball....
How many times any of us could not believe our eyes when refs made a call (shevchenko 's goal with barca?)
Many fans are ordinary people and after hard day of work they expect to see decent game. This is our love and we hate to see it destroyed.
My heart goes with victim of this tragedy bat maybe this problem is more complicated and much deeper than many want to admit.
Players association calls for year ban. Is that a solution?

Milan forever

You just want to see Moratti's face when he hear's that the only year his team are doing well has been cancelled. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

But still suspending football for the whole year is not an option, the Italian league will take a big hit, and after the ivents of the summer I don't think it can survive another hit, it's simple if they suspend Calcio for the whole year then Calcio dies.

Secondly it would be bad for Italian aconom, and they can't afford to do that.

I think disqualifying the teams from Serie A is the answer, this will send out enough of a message, or if this seems too drastic for them they should slap both teams with a fine and make them play behind closed doors for the entire season.

Well atleast from what I heard in the news today they have detained a lot of people in jail. Hopefully one of them is the guy that threw the bomb at the officer.

From what I heard it was the Catania fans that started it when the away coach arrived 45 mins late, and when they arrived they started throwing everything at them even a toilet (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) This is when the police where trying to get the situation under control and someone threw this flair or bomd, whatever it was at this officer

Violence in football has been a problem in italy for many years as we know, there are probably more questions then answers when it comes to this problem.
The influence the fans have in Italy is second to none! I can remember a Rome derby being abandoned just because there were rumours that a child had been run over and killed by a police car (which was not true) and the abiding image from that game is totti talking to the leader of the Roma ultras asking HIM to sort the fans out not a policeman or other security person!! I read in interview with lillian thuram that one game when he was playing for parma and they were losing heavily at half-time a ultra leader came into the dressing room and gave the players a rollicking!! This is no excuse for the unforgivable actions of the scilian derby but these fans are not normal fans. Everything seems to be magnified in the eyes of these people 1 defeat seems like the end of the world (we even get that sort of over the top reaction in here!) 2 defeats and the coach must go 3 defeats and the owner/director must leave for the sake of the club.
after all caglari changed there coach 3 or 4 times last season, Torino changed thecoach that got them promoted a week before the start of the Serie A season!
Everybody associated with running of these clubs should take a little responsibility and the fans who caused the death of the policeman i hope you pay for your crimes in this life and the next! You are evil and try to justify your actions under the cover of our beloved game! Not just italian fans but all fans of all clubs should not tolerate these kinds of acts and all games across europe should have a minutes respect for that man killed just doing his job.
My heart goes out to all his family and a special prayer to his wife and 2 children

I understand that the teams involved were Sicilian rivals. I was wondering if anyone knows the politics of the teams' supporters. I think it might shed some light on the deeper issues involving this outburst.

Can anyone help me on this one?

Of course a deep, deep tragedy. I cannot imagine this kind of violence, and how people can be this cruel. I do agree with Palermo president Zamparini, though. The problem does not lie within football, but within the italian society. Sure, the rivalry between supporters created this mess, but I don't think the clubs can do too much, it's the police and government who must act against this in a severe way.

Now, I don't mean to be egoistic in any way, but I must ask for your opinion in this matter. From what you've heard, what are the chances for Serie A to start before next weekend? Because I am supposed to watch Milan-Livorno in 8 days with some friends... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Talk about bad timing.

They haven't said anything on when they willstart up again

I'd personally be very suprised if any more games were postponed.

I've heard differing stories that the Serie A will be suspended for three matches or two weeks. I hope the suspension doesn't last too long and that appropriate is taken by the FIGC and the Italian government otherwise this would have all been in vain.

Ff course this is a tragedy, but this might be good for milan. gives some players some rests and hopefully ronaldo will have time to settle in and regain some fitness and maybe even play for us in a week or two.

Yes me too .. Actually, I doubt this will carry on any longer .. They will decide within a week what to do.

What I fear is having Catania demoted or something very serious like that; cuz they r in 4th place and it's been more than half a yr now since they got promoted to Serie A .. The club doesn't deserve this .. It's the fans who caused it ..

Sicily can get very heated on any subject that involves pride, it's in their history. Therefore, I think a hefty punishment (either a fine or club plays in closed doors or something like that) .. That would be the idal solution ... Cuz when u think of it, what has happened is huge and suspending the whole sport in the country for a week is a HUGE blow to that sector .. What u think will happen ? They will suspend it indeffinately ? If they do that, it will be a HUGE blow for their sports industry .. I highly doubt it .. Cuz the clubs arent paying their players for nothing (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Magistrates explain calcio chaos

The magistrate of Catania – the scene of the tragic riots – explains why suspending the games is a victory for the hooligans and how they keep re-offending.

The Federation immediately suspended all football activity in Italy after a police officer was killed in the Sicilian derby riots outside the Stadio Massimino on Friday.

However, the magistrate of Catania has gone against these plans, suggesting it was an error to call off even one week of games, let alone an entire campaign.

“This is a mistake, because it means that sport is held hostage by a band of delinquents,” said magistrate Renato Papa, whose jurisdiction is the city where Friday night’s fatal riots were held.

“The risk is that we will end up giving a stronger voice to those few criminal elements, who will then hold control over the vast majority of peaceful fans who go to the stadium.”

Once again, the Italians are looking to England for a way out, recalling how their hooligan problem was stamped down in the 1980s following the Heysel disaster.

“The hooligans were defeated thanks to radical intervention, in other words arrests that meant certain prison time and the confiscation of passports.”

The Legge Pisanu demanded all clubs and arenas ensure CCTV footage, numbered and named tickets, stewards paid for by the sides to police the fans and adequate turnstiles, but so far very few stadiums fit the bill.

Magistrate Papa suggests that he has no power to lock up the vandals even when they are put in custody.

“The Italian laws are inadequate when it comes to football-related violence, because there is no deterrent.

"Overall 22 Catania fans have been arrested thanks to regulations allowing video and photographic evidence, but the law says that if they have no previous convictions, they’ll be released again immediately. Even if they do have a record, it’ll still result in a suspended sentence.”


Channel4

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This post has been edited by armisse: Feb 4 2007, 09:25 AM

You're right I suppose I didn't get that. That was partly why I was so angry - because I didn't get that, I thought it WAS just for sympathy - which would've been wrong!

Do I suggest apathy? No! From what I've heard, the way he died was because of a flare! That's part of the problem for a start! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Do you remember what happened at Ascoli last season to that lady, who was there with her son? Absolutely horrific like in this case, but I guess to some extent she & her son we're "lucky" it wasn't the same outcome. Here in England you aren't allowed flares, and I think it's stupid to allow them in Italy but will they change this? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Or at least make an amendment to the Pisanu decree.

Part of the reason I want things to continue is that the fans don't deserve to be punished for the stupidity of the minority of football hooligans. As far as I'm concerned, they can kill each other but leave everyone else out of it. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) As well as the selfish reason. (We could be watching them in a few mins. according to the chronometer on the website! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

Now maybe I'm gullible but I don't think anyone intended to murder Mr Raciti, who died a hero doing his job. I don't know if you're joking, over-exaggerating or just being stupid but I'd never say anything of the sort! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) I could enjoy watching it because I love and will always enjoy watching Milan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

This isn't the 1st ever tragedy or injustice in the world and it won't be the last, I didn't know the guy, I've said what feels like a million times that I have sympathy for him & his family/friends. You can choose to be miserable & let things consume you or enjoy life (which is the reason for it!) and move on! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by milanista1899: Feb 4 2007, 03:06 PM

Raciti murder "was revenge"

The police are now suggesting that Filippo Raciti was targeted in a revenge killing for acting as a witness in the trial of a Catania Ultra’.

The 38-year-old policeman was killed during riots that surrounded the Stadio Massimino while Catania-Palermo was played inside.

An autopsy has now confirmed he died from massive liver damage. “The cause of death is clear,” announced the MD.

It was already known that the Catania fans staged an ambush on the arriving Palermo fans and police force, but a frightening new theory has come to light – the football match was merely an excuse to exact revenge on the Chief Inspector.

“In the last few weeks, Filippo had acted as a key witness in the trial of a Catania Ultra’ accused of violence in the last derby at Palermo. He was the one who nailed him, reconstructing the events of another nightmare evening,” explained police colleague Claudio Anzalone.

“Filippo told me how things unfolded. That lad, who got a suspended sentence, left the court laughing at him and hurling insults. Now this incident could really mean something, even if nobody listened to our warnings before.”

This theory would fit in with the sequence of events on Friday evening at the Stadio Massimino.

The Palermo fans did not arrive until the second half and it was here that the trouble erupted, when Catania supporters waiting outside the stadium began their ambush.

Raciti, one of the policemen escorting the visiting fans, was struck in the chest by a rock and then a homemade bomb was thrown at his car.

“We can confirm that there was no involvement of the Rosanero fans,” said Catania police chief Ignazio Fonzo.

“The riot was solely created by pseudo-Catania supporters, real delinquents with a premeditated action of extreme violence. It’s a little early to talk today about a premeditated and targeted murder, however.”

More evidence suggests this may have been revenge for the last Sicilian derby, won 5-3 by Palermo at the Stadio Barbera on September 20.

Raciti had been placed in a desk job for the past few months, but became restless and at his request was returned to duty at football matches just over a week ago.

The tension expected in the derby may well have given the criminals the perfect excuse to commit murder disguised as football-related violence.

Last night the police raided several different Catania fan clubs to weed out the more hardline elements. So far 22 people are under arrest.

Channel 4

Would Catania and Palermo be fined to regleated or ban of european matches