[Fillipo Simone]

It's not about the Bundesliga, it's about LvG. This is his way of working: he needs the players to accept his philosophy. He's done it at Barcelona, at Bayern. Sometimes he failed.

But the main point is: he needs time. And since he, unlike Moyes, has won silverware in the past to back this up, he'll get it.

[kurtsimonw]

van Gaal also has a history of failing really badly at the top level. in 10-11 he got sacked as Bayern weren't even in the CL places, how is that even possible? He did even worse with his most recent spell at Barca, leaving with them 3 points above relegation.

He had a full season at Bayern, then failed. Admittedly he only had 7 months at Barca before getting sacked.

I think van Gaal will eventually "succeed" but then if I was given a title winning team and another £200m to spend on top of that, I'd put up some kind of challenge too. It is impossible not to succeed in that situation IMO.

[X-Offender]

van Gaal also has a history of failing really badly at the top level. in 10-11 he got sacked as Bayern weren't even in the CL places, how is that even possible? He did even worse with his most recent spell at Barca, leaving with them 3 points above relegation.

He had a full season at Bayern, then failed. Admittedly he only had 7 months at Barca before getting sacked.

He also failed to qualify Holland for the 2002 WC if I'm not mistaken.

[han2503]

It's not about the Bundesliga, it's about LvG. This is his way of working: he needs the players to accept his philosophy. He's done it at Barcelona, at Bayern. Sometimes he failed.

But the main point is: he needs time. And since he, unlike Moyes, has won silverware in the past to back this up, he'll get it.

I'm not talking about how he'll overcome the difficulty of the league, I'm mainly talking about how the Bundesliga, because of it's limited amount of teams which can compete (even now it's just Dortmund and Bayern are still light-years ahead of them in terms of resources), is a more forgiving league, thus you can start really badly and recover your position after Christmas, however the EPL isn't, if they're still stumbling by December, I fail to see how they can claw their way to a CL spot by May with most of the sides having already run away with the top 4 positions

So this flaw that LvG has might still be overlooked in a lesser league, but it won't in the EPL, and if United miss out on the CL again because they've started badly, I can't see him not getting the sack

[Danny]

You've both ignored Barca...

[kurtsimonw]

7 points in 3 games a necessary start with out next 5 being against last seasons top 5. If we can get out of these games not in relegation it would be a huge plus.

[han2503]

7 points in 3 games a necessary start with out next 5 being against last seasons top 5. If we can get out of these games not in relegation it would be a huge plus.

You didn't win today? I checked the scores in the last few minutes and you were still leading 2-1...

[kurtsimonw]

You didn't win today? I checked the scores in the last few minutes and you were still leading 2-1...

We did yes. I just meant that it was very important that we did with the awful fixtures we have coming up. 1 goal conceded in 3 games is the most pleasing stat, seeing how awful we've been at the back these past 4 years.

Our win at Stoke's fortress looks even more impressive now they've gone to Man City and won too!

[KillerMax]

We did yes. I just meant that it was very important that we did with the awful fixtures we have coming up. 1 goal conceded in 3 games is the most pleasing stat, seeing how awful we've been at the back these past 4 years.

Our win at Stoke's fortress looks even more impressive now they've gone to Man City and won too!

Hey things are looking up for both of your teams you lucky b@stard! We only get 1!

Happy to see Villa doing well. You have charmed me to always root for them whenever I see they are live on livescore.com (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Hey things are looking up for both of your teams you lucky b@stard! We only get 1!

Happy to see Villa doing well. You have charmed me to always root for them whenever I see they are live on livescore.com (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

It's still sad overall. Both Milan and Villa overspent and then decided to cut down the wage bill so they both became "bad" at the roughly the same time. Will be nice to see them both move up the table again. Promising starts for both. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[han2503]

We did yes. I just meant that it was very important that we did with the awful fixtures we have coming up. 1 goal conceded in 3 games is the most pleasing stat, seeing how awful we've been at the back these past 4 years.

Our win at Stoke's fortress looks even more impressive now they've gone to Man City and won too!

I thought you'd won the previous 2 games as well, which is why I thought you drew in the last minutes today because of the 7 points instead of 9 which I was assuming you were on. My bad.

And same as Max, when I watch an EPL side against Villa for some reason I end up rooting for them, probably because of you

[kurtsimonw]

Oohh I see, nah we drew with Newcastle last weekend.

Well I appreciate that you guys show some kind of support for them, thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Newcastle rule and Aston Villa drool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Falcao to United on loan. So they needed a CB and CM and they've signed wingers and attackers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Did Rojo's permit get sorted out? As for CM, once Carrick returns along with Herrera it should last them to CL places. Falcao makes sense, since LvG doesn't want Welbeck and Hernandez. So they have Rooney and RvP alone.