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post Sep 28 2017, 09:59 PM
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I'm not sure Montella is either, Han. He effed up this game too - we squeaked out the win with a Cutrone goal in stoppage time.

I am wondering if Milan can afford any more patience with Montella.
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post Sep 28 2017, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Sep 28 2017, 10:59 PM) *
I'm not sure Montella is either, Han. He effed up this game too - we squeaked out the win with a Cutrone goal in stoppage time.

I am wondering if Milan can afford any more patience with Montella.

Yup. Today was supposed to be an easy game, at home against a team that on paper should have not posed a challenge. And yet we let them score twice in less than 10 minutes. Did not see the game (working), but from the comments this was another lifeless performance. No signs of improvement.

This is not Berlu's Milan any more. The new owners put in some serious money this year. Even assuming they have deep pockets, we cannot operate at a loss or we will have problems with FFP. We really need to get to CL, or we are in trouble. We cannot afford to sink too deep in Serie A, and we cannot afford to get booted out of EL either, which is bound to happen if we play this way against stronger opponents.

If I was in Fassone's shoes, I would be starting to get very, very nervous.

EDIT: This sums it up nicely. This too. Key point from the second article, "Milan have played 11 competitive matches this season and had a full preseason with which to develop an understanding within the squad". How much more time do we want to give Montella? Do we wait until CL is out of reach?

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post Sep 29 2017, 11:11 PM
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Does anyone think that Carlo's Christmas Tree Formation would work for us? I feel like his system that operated without wingers, we currently have 1 winger.

He relied on the FBs for width (think Janku/Serginho & Cafu) which we may be able to recreate with RR and Conti/Abate.

Finally, I think we can play with the two players supporting a lone striker.

4-3-2-1:

------------------------------------Donna
-----Conti/Abate-------Mussachio---------Bonucci--------- RR
------------------Kessie----------Biglia/Loca--------Bona
---------------------------Hakan--------------Suso/Silva
----------------------------------Kalinic/Cutrone

Now I may just be nostalgic because I was getting into soccer at the time that this formation was our backbone. I understand the game has changed to utilize the wings more but we simply can't force ourselves to play a system when the personnel just isn't there.

I feel like a coach brings with them their philosophy on how the team should play - this nonsense with Montella succumbing to a system he isn't known for is ridiculous. It's why we have been having trouble. A good manager should be flexible but there is a breaking point. How can he explain the intricacies of a system when he is not an expert himself. If we want to play with three at the back then Conte is our target but if we want to play by our personnel we should find a coach who is going to fit the team.

All of this being said, I am definitely in the camp that says that Montella deserves time. He needs at least until after this Roma - Inter gauntlet we are going through - if he fails both of those tests then we should start looking at who is available.

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post Sep 29 2017, 11:22 PM
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I was actually discussing that possibility with a colleague today. Either 4-3-1-2 with Hakan as trequartista or 4-3-2-1 as you posted. It would certainly be much better than what we're currently playing. 3-5-2 sucks, as much as you guys won't admit it.
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post Oct 3 2017, 07:00 PM
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Another reality check. Explains why 7th in Serie A at -9 from the top is a real serious problem.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 4 2017, 01:30 AM) *
Another reality check. Explains why 7th in Serie A at -9 from the top is a real serious problem.


I think whoever wrote that article didn't really investigate the backdrop nor has done any research. It's basically a doomsayer, Montella out-er trying to sound all deep and scientific.

This isn't anything we don't know. Han Li's investors all backed out due to tighter government constraints. He took a liquid injection from Elliot. And that debt has to be repaid by 2018. This was transparent right from the off.

Now that's a liquid injection of 350 odd million. Is that author stupid enough to think that amount can be paid off with just CL revenue and scudetto wins? No. That Elliot debt was always meant to be re-financed. The loan from Elliot was for emergency cash. The equivalent of swiping a credit card I guess?

So now Li's looking for partners to re-finance things. Yes. We know. Fassone also mentioned this to us. We'd need re-financing regardless of if we win the scudetto or not. Our success would however make FFP look pleasing because we have new revenue streams from increased CL TV money, hopefully new sponsors etc.

So no - to tie up Elliot with our performance is poor research as far as I can see.
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 3 2017, 07:21 PM) *
I think whoever wrote that article didn't really investigate the backdrop nor has done any research. It's basically a doomsayer, Montella out-er trying to sound all deep and scientific.

This isn't anything we don't know. Han Li's investors all backed out due to tighter government constraints. He took a liquid injection from Elliot. And that debt has to be repaid by 2018. This was transparent right from the off.

Now that's a liquid injection of 350 odd million. Is that author stupid enough to think that amount can be paid off with just CL revenue and scudetto wins? No. That Elliot debt was always meant to be re-financed. The loan from Elliot was for emergency cash. The equivalent of swiping a credit card I guess?

So now Li's looking for partners to re-finance things. Yes. We know. Fassone also mentioned this to us. We'd need re-financing regardless of if we win the scudetto or not. Our success would however make FFP look pleasing because we have new revenue streams from increased CL TV money, hopefully new sponsors etc.

So no - to tie up Elliot with our performance is poor research as far as I can see.


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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 3 2017, 08:21 PM) *
I think whoever wrote that article didn't really investigate the backdrop nor has done any research. It's basically a doomsayer, Montella out-er trying to sound all deep and scientific.

This isn't anything we don't know. Han Li's investors all backed out due to tighter government constraints. He took a liquid injection from Elliot. And that debt has to be repaid by 2018. This was transparent right from the off.

Now that's a liquid injection of 350 odd million. Is that author stupid enough to think that amount can be paid off with just CL revenue and scudetto wins? No. That Elliot debt was always meant to be re-financed. The loan from Elliot was for emergency cash. The equivalent of swiping a credit card I guess?

So now Li's looking for partners to re-finance things. Yes. We know. Fassone also mentioned this to us. We'd need re-financing regardless of if we win the scudetto or not. Our success would however make FFP look pleasing because we have new revenue streams from increased CL TV money, hopefully new sponsors etc.

So no - to tie up Elliot with our performance is poor research as far as I can see.

If the article came from the likes of Ruiu, I may agree with you. However, (unlike CM) this is generally a "Milan friendly" site. Also, the article does quote a report from Reuters, which made the news a few days ago. And while I agree that qualifying for CL is not going to pay off the debt, *not* making CL is quite likely to cause us financial problems, both direct (loss of revenue) and indirect (loss of confidence among investors or bond holders).
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 4 2017, 05:37 AM) *
If the article came from the likes of Ruiu, I may agree with you. However, (unlike CM) this is generally a "Milan friendly" site. Also, the article does quote a report from Reuters, which made the news a few days ago. And while I agree that qualifying for CL is not going to pay off the debt, *not* making CL is quite likely to cause us financial problems, both direct (loss of revenue) and indirect (loss of confidence among investors or bond holders).


Again. I'm not questioning that Li is looking for new investors. But to say Li is looking for investors because he wants to bail out or he's a Ponzi scheme owner is to exaggerate issues.

I agree with you on the CL loss of revenue hitting us. We'd have to sell one of the new signings I guess. Probably the ones who haven't settled in much.

At the moment, I'd sell Hakan.
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 4 2017, 02:39 PM) *
Again. I'm not questioning that Li is looking for new investors. But to say Li is looking for investors because he wants to bail out or he's a Ponzi scheme owner is to exaggerate issues.

Never said or implied this was a Ponzi scheme (don't believe the article did either). I still am a believer in Li & co.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 4 2017, 02:39 PM) *
I agree with you on the CL loss of revenue hitting us. We'd have to sell one of the new signings I guess. Probably the ones who haven't settled in much.

At the moment, I'd sell Hakan.

If we don't make CL, I fear we will see a lot more than that, Donna probably will be the first in line.
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5 years of rooting for a shite football team. What's 5 years more?

At least I have the cricket to fall back on.
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