[han2503]

I've had enough of his clueless idiocy, his constant rotation, his stubborn refusal to start the same defence, his compete inability to tactically alter anything for the better, and his dumb subs.

It wasn't his fault he was appointed manager, but the longer we go with appointing noobs as boss, the further this Club will decline.

We DO have a decent squad. Hell a decent manager could maybe make a player out of MDS and SES. But we keep appointing dickheads to the manager position and they're stubborn, arrogant, and end up totally blighting their playing legacy. I KNEW he was better in Primavera.

If we don't bring in a real manager soon, we'll end up in relegation form.

(I hope to calm down in the morning)

I didn't agree with the majority of your ratings, but I couldn't agree more with the bolded bit

Pippo, like Allegri before him is making us look worse than we really are, his baffling decisions and constant "thinkering" are what's really making us look so utterly terrible.

[Danny]

I didn't agree with the majority of your ratings,

You never do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) tbh they were angry ratings but I stand roughly by them.

but I couldn't agree more with the bolded bit

Pippo, like Allegri before him is making us look worse than we really are, his baffling decisions and constant "thinkering" are what's really making us look so utterly terrible.

Seedorf too was garbage - no one can honestly say he did a good job, not if we go by 'Milan' standards.

Allegri started well, lost his best players and couldn't do eff all with the trash the Club brought in to replace it. But the current squad is much better than the rubbish one Allegri ended up with after 2012 and Pippo is making it look far worse than that one.

But I'm not discussing Allegri with you or X - it never ends well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

You never do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) tbh they were angry ratings but I stand roughly by them.



Seedorf too was garbage - no one can honestly say he did a good job, not if we go by 'Milan' standards.

Allegri started well, lost his best players and couldn't do eff all with the trash the Club brought in to replace it. But the current squad is much better than the rubbish one Allegri ended up with after 2012 and Pippo is making it look far worse than that one.

But I'm not discussing Allegri with you or X - it never ends well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I think some of your ratings are harsh, and some biased, but whatevs, I get it, we all have the ones we like better than others and ones we criticise more than others

At least with Seedorf you could see a clear plan, a clear direction he wanted to take us to. A clear way he wanted his players to play. There was a clear tactical approach.

With Pippo it's back to what we saw under Allegri. Losing players or not for Allegri I always stand by the fact that he made us dire. Ibra and the other top players dragged us to that Scudetto and Allegri managed to lose the second one to Juve even with the best squad in the league. So for me, Allegri is even more dire than the rookies that followed him because he handed over a Scudetto while having a star studded squad at his disposal

[X-Offender]

Nah, I don't buy it. I hope you guys can keep up the good faith and enjoy the rest of the season, but after tonight Pippo has killed it for me. Call it premature, call it exaggeration, but I have my own ideas in my head and no matter how I look at it this guy has completely failed me. And I can't see him improve, because that would mean a 180 degrees turnaround and it's just impossible.

It's not a few things he has to improve, or a few ideas, it's his whole mentality. Which reminds me every bit of Allegri. Remember when we were always hoping for Allegri to learn from his mistakes and eventually redeem himself? That never happened, and I don't see it happening for Inzaghi. That's just how I see it.

Remember this? It dates back to 20 September after the game against Juve. I was told I was overreacting, but tell me now if I wasn't 100% correct about Mr. Pippo.

[Danny]

Remember this? It dates back to 20 September after the game against Juve. I was told I was overreacting, but tell me now if I wasn't 100% correct about Mr. Pippo.

If I did the 'I told you so' thing every time I was proven right I'd be the most annoying poster on here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(ok I already am but that's not the point)

[Fillipo Simone]

The sad thing is I don't think that any of them (bar the few obvious ones) are mediocre at all. They're all capable of so much better.

Problem is, the man leading them is absolutely clueless and even more cowardly. He's so afraid of losing that he thinks a draw is an acceptable result, and playing for it is enough. The way we played today is not even classified as mid-table type performance, but bottom feeder level performance.

Oh but they are, they really are. In this horrible mess you can see how good for example Lopez or even Abate are. But then you can see as well how hopelessly bad Muntari is, how hopelessly mediocre Rami and Montolivo are.

What makes you think they're all capable of "such much better"? Do they have some silverware won? Made some impressive result so far? Rami won the league with Lille, Alex with PSV, Chelsea and PSG. Menez has some cups with Roma and of course tons of wins with PSG. But that's about it.

I really think all in all they are very mediocre. Bar a few players that stand out, none of them is able to perform constantly or at least consistently good. None of them made a real progress or shows grit, determination or a positive attitude/mentality.

This game goes mostly on Inzaghi, but again, I'm not gonna just blame him. After three coaches in one and a half year, I'm inclined to say there's pretty much everything wrong with this club. Up from management to the players.

Remember this? It dates back to 20 September after the game against Juve. I was told I was overreacting, but tell me now if I wasn't 100% correct about Mr. Pippo.

Bravo!

[Danny]

Oh but they are, they really are. In this horrible mess you can see how good for example Lopez or even Abate are. But then you can see as well how hopelessly bad Muntari is, how hopelessly mediocre Rami and Montolivo are.

What makes you think they're all capable of "such much better"? Do they have some silverware won? Made some impressive result so far? Rami won the league with Lille, Alex with PSV, Chelsea and PSG. Menez has some cups with Roma and of course tons of wins with PSG. But that's about it.

I really think all in all they are very mediocre. Bar a few players that stand out, none of them is able to perform constantly or at least consistently good. None of them made a real progress or shows grit, determination or a positive attitude/mentality.

This game goes mostly on Inzaghi, but again, I'm not gonna just blame him. After three coaches in one and a half year, I'm inclined to say there's pretty much everything wrong with this club. Up from management to the players.

tbh you make some fair points. Abate looked a class above when he came on, and Lopez was exceptional.

But that said in fits and starts we've seen them all individually playing much better than they showed tonight - Monto had been in superb form until the loss v Sassuolo, Alex had been a collosus every match till that same fixture, and Menez has worked miracles at times.

I think the problem is Milan's decline is echoing that of Serie A - our standards are having to go down, and as such a player like Monto gets elevated in our minds to being as good as Pirlo within the context of current Milan. If real Pirlo played for us, we'd be blown away by how good he was, because we're now so used to much lesser players at the Club.

And Serie A too is far weaker than it once was - Juve were once collosal, late 90s for example. Ourselves, superb late 80s and over the piece between 90-2005. But now all these teams are fundamentally crap by comparison.

Truth is we DO have good players, players who could make us a top 3 team quite comfortably, in this weak Serie A. I even include MDS in this, in theory, if he was to realise the form which made us so excited about him back in the day. Does that come down to his own lack of ability being exposed, or poor management? Maybe both.

But poor management is definitely a factor in a lot of what's going on here.

You CANNOT put it solely on the players when we have not ONCE started two matches in a row under Pippo with the same XI. When he has us too high up V Sassuolo and failing to play offside, and then far too deep tonight. The guy doesn't have a clue. 35% of all our conceded goals came from corners. We just can't defend - but then, we seem to get a good defence for a match or two and guess what, Pisso changes it. Like he does with every part of the team, constantly. NO MATTER WHAT FORM THEY'RE IN.

Play well. Change. Play bad. Change. It's ridiculous and absurd management.

[X-Offender]

If I did the 'I told you so' thing every time I was proven right I'd be the most annoying poster on here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(ok I already am but that's not the point)

Yes, but this is what we're talking about right now: Pippo's incompetency. I predicted that our season would go down the shitter that night, and four months later, it seems like it's become reality. What this Milan has been reduced to could have been easily deduced from that game alone.

[Danny]

Yes, but this is what we're talking about right now: Pippo's incompetency. I predicted that our season would go down the shitter that night, and four months later, it seems like it's become reality. What this Milan has been reduced to could have been easily deduced from that game alone.

No one could have predicted that he'd develop a weird fetish hard on for constantly rotating the team though. That's a major cause for this. His compressed tactics that night were your big reason for condemning him, yet similar tactics have managed wins over Udine, Napoli, and a draw in Rome. The big problem I have is his refusal to alter tactics when they're NOT working and of course, his steadfast rotation of everything he can find to rotate.

I get dizzy he rotates that much and quickly.

[han2503]

Remember this? It dates back to 20 September after the game against Juve. I was told I was overreacting, but tell me now if I wasn't 100% correct about Mr. Pippo.

All hail you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But yes, you were right about him, I was still optimistic and hopeful about Pippo back then. Maybe out of sheer desperation because I know the management won't bring anyone better in instead

Oh but they are, they really are. In this horrible mess you can see how good for example Lopez or even Abate are. But then you can see as well how hopelessly bad Muntari is, how hopelessly mediocre Rami and Montolivo are.

What makes you think they're all capable of "such much better"? Do they have some silverware won? Made some impressive result so far? Rami won the league with Lille, Alex with PSV, Chelsea and PSG. Menez has some cups with Roma and of course tons of wins with PSG. But that's about it.

I really think all in all they are very mediocre. Bar a few players that stand out, none of them is able to perform constantly or at least consistently good. None of them made a real progress or shows grit, determination or a positive attitude/mentality.

This game goes mostly on Inzaghi, but again, I'm not gonna just blame him. After three coaches in one and a half year, I'm inclined to say there's pretty much everything wrong with this club. Up from management to the players.

No, can't agree at all.

The inconsistency of the players we're seeing now has to do with what Danny is saying. You can't be consistent when there's continuous change

Who are the best performing teams? Ones that have a set 11, that know each other inside out and can pass to each other with their eyes closed. Teams that have chemistry. Look at Chelsea, Real, Barca, any top team basically. They don't rotate almost the entire 11 each week. We have not played the same back 4 2 games in a row, how can you have cohesion and chemistry in these conditions?

Monto, De Jong, Menez, DS, Mexes, Rami, Zapata, Alex, Bonaventura and Poli were all looking good before the break, Monto especially was really picking up form after what was a really bad injury that most players take an entire season to recover from. But these last 2 games he's been p!ss poor, just like the others I mentioned in the list.

These last 2 games since coming back have been awful to watch. A goalkeeper has nothing to do with it, his form is more dependant upon himself, and while Lopez is a top player, you can't bulk the others that I mentioned and call them mediocre because they don't seem to know what the hell their coach wants from them.

Playing a disjointed 4-3-3 with no wingers in sight, playing a midfielder as a winger/forward, playing Menez as a #9, playing Niang out of the blue, playing Muntari over and over again when he brings nothing but trouble to the table. The way we shaped up was just all wrong, before the break we were compact and kept our shape much better, now it's a disjointed mess, the midfield isn't helping the defence at all, and imo it's the major reason why DS had to make the tackle that he got sent off for, we were giving Toro so much space.

It was all just a mess and imo it was all down to Pippo's decisions and tactics. Simple as that

Sure we had a lot of coaches in the last few years and none of them could do anything with this team, but you have to look at who those coaches were. Since Carlo we've had 3 rookies who had absolutely no experience with coaching a pro side and Allegri.

tbh you make some fair points. Abate looked a class above when he came on, and Lopez was exceptional.

But that said in fits and starts we've seen them all individually playing much better than they showed tonight - Monto had been in superb form until the loss v Sassuolo, Alex had been a collosus every match till that same fixture, and Menez has worked miracles at times.

I think the problem is Milan's decline is echoing that of Serie A - our standards are having to go down, and as such a player like Monto gets elevated in our minds to being as good as Pirlo within the context of current Milan. If real Pirlo played for us, we'd be blown away by how good he was, because we're now so used to much lesser players at the Club.

And Serie A too is far weaker than it once was - Juve were once collosal, late 90s for example. Ourselves, superb late 80s and over the piece between 90-2005. But now all these teams are fundamentally crap by comparison.

Truth is we DO have good players, players who could make us a top 3 team quite comfortably, in this weak Serie A. I even include MDS in this, in theory, if he was to realise the form which made us so excited about him back in the day. Does that come down to his own lack of ability being exposed, or poor management? Maybe both.

But poor management is definitely a factor in a lot of what's going on here.

You CANNOT put it solely on the players when we have not ONCE started two matches in a row under Pippo with the same XI. When he has us too high up V Sassuolo and failing to play offside, and then far too deep tonight. The guy doesn't have a clue. 35% of all our conceded goals came from corners. We just can't defend - but then, we seem to get a good defence for a match or two and guess what, Pisso changes it. Like he does with every part of the team, constantly. NO MATTER WHAT FORM THEY'RE IN.

Play well. Change. Play bad. Change. It's ridiculous and absurd management.

For once, I couldn't agree more with you

[William405]

I couldn't watch the match, was out. Seems they slaughtered us, though. Nothing, though, can be worse than the video below:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2eh27m_

This sickens me. He deserves a big *** fine. What happened to Inzaghi's code of rules. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

This post has been edited by William405: Jan 11 2015, 12:04 PM

[Danny]

For once, I couldn't agree more with you

Damn, I need to change my entire post then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

tbh you make some fair points. Abate looked a class above when he came on, and Lopez was exceptional.

But that said in fits and starts we've seen them all individually playing much better than they showed tonight - Monto had been in superb form until the loss v Sassuolo, Alex had been a collosus every match till that same fixture, and Menez has worked miracles at times.

I think the problem is Milan's decline is echoing that of Serie A - our standards are having to go down, and as such a player like Monto gets elevated in our minds to being as good as Pirlo within the context of current Milan. If real Pirlo played for us, we'd be blown away by how good he was, because we're now so used to much lesser players at the Club.

And Serie A too is far weaker than it once was - Juve were once collosal, late 90s for example. Ourselves, superb late 80s and over the piece between 90-2005. But now all these teams are fundamentally crap by comparison.

Truth is we DO have good players, players who could make us a top 3 team quite comfortably, in this weak Serie A. I even include MDS in this, in theory, if he was to realise the form which made us so excited about him back in the day. Does that come down to his own lack of ability being exposed, or poor management? Maybe both.

But poor management is definitely a factor in a lot of what's going on here.

You CANNOT put it solely on the players when we have not ONCE started two matches in a row under Pippo with the same XI. When he has us too high up V Sassuolo and failing to play offside, and then far too deep tonight. The guy doesn't have a clue. 35% of all our conceded goals came from corners. We just can't defend - but then, we seem to get a good defence for a match or two and guess what, Pisso changes it. Like he does with every part of the team, constantly. NO MATTER WHAT FORM THEY'RE IN.

Play well. Change. Play bad. Change. It's ridiculous and absurd management.

Yes, the thing is, our standards dropped. Montolivo is a prime example. He's become our captain although he has no leading abilities, no capacity to be a captain and on top of it no seniority. You say Monto has been superb - but how? With goals? The guy is miles away from scoring. With assists? He has zero of them. And more importantly, in how many games? Two, maybe three, but that's the limit.

And that's what I'm talking about. This is something called mediocrity for me (I know Han will disagree). No impact in mentality, few assists and goals, a fair amount of bad games mixed with okay or average performances and then a few good to excellent. All in all, a modest impact.

Don't get me wrong, with Monto on the pitch we do play better in theory and practically, but it's baby steps. We need a complete reboot, from below and above.

Yes, but this is what we're talking about right now: Pippo's incompetency. I predicted that our season would go down the shitter that night, and four months later, it seems like it's become reality. What this Milan has been reduced to could have been easily deduced from that game alone.

The problem is, football isn't just about deduction. You try to sound like Han, bringing in the basics of logic and all that. But football isn't science. Yes, the signs were already there, but it was natural to take more time and make a well argumented assessment.

In the end you were right, but hey, what's the point? Bravo for you. If I could turn back time, after the Juventus games, I'd still be saying we need more time to asses our situation and coach.

[Danny]

Yes, the thing is, our standards dropped. Montolivo is a prime example. He's become our captain although he has no leading abilities,

Agreed.

no capacity to be a captain and on top of it no seniority.

Agreed and agreed.

You say Monto has been superb - but how? With goals? The guy is miles away from scoring. With assists? He has zero of them. And more importantly, in how many games? Two, maybe three, but that's the limit.

His form in terms of composure had been good. You're right, no goals, no assists, but then he never was much good at that. His strength, when he is in the form I mentioned, is being able to steady midfield. He won't thread the ball through the eye of a defensive needle, nor does he score. His vision isn't great either, and he doesn't lead at all. But he does have a calming presence when he's on his game, allows him to pass simple, retain the ball, and begin passing movements going forward. It's not impressive, it's not Pirlo, and it's not worthy of Milan, but it, by our current standards, is decent and means we are able to retain structure in midfield.

Unlike the last two games where he's been posted missing or downright error-strewn.

And that's what I'm talking about. This is something called mediocrity for me (I know Han will disagree). No impact in mentality, few assists and goals, a fair amount of bad games mixed with okay or average performances and then a few good to excellent. All in all, a modest impact.

Don't get me wrong, with Monto on the pitch we do play better in theory and practically, but it's baby steps. We need a complete reboot, from below and above.

Right now, we have only one player who is truly Milan class, and that's De Jong. He would have fit into the Seedorf/Gattuso Milan just fine. If Ambrosini did, De Jong sure would. However, the rest, Lopez, Alex, and Abate aside, have no case at all. Most are decent players, and as a whole it's a decent squad capable of being third in this frankly rubbish Serie A, but it's not what we expect from our Club. It is, however, what we're sadly coming to expect from them now.

[X-Offender]

• We have won only 2 from the last 11 games
• Eight goals conceded from corner kicks
• Only 17 goals scored in the last 14 games
• Last night we had 34.7% ball possession
• Between 15' and 30' we couldn't perform two passes in a row

Just a few facts. The last one truly makes you think...