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 Ambro v. Rino, war in midfield |
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 Aug 26 2009, 05:44 AM
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im grateful to see both in a milan shirt _ there is hardly anything between them but if you want more grit an determination ppl wud fink of gattuso but as ambro has shown in his perfomances he can slide tackle and get stuck in equally as well _ when it comes to attacking ambro is the clear winner but in defence perhaps gattuso has the edge by a whisker
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Aug 26 2009, 10:04 AM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Aug 26 2009, 05:15 AM)  Here's to you Gattuso and Ambrosini, and also lets stop this pointless arguing. Instead lets argue on why Favalli has not been thrown out of Milan, or lets speculate on who Oddo will reject next Show me a better 4th choice CB (under normal circumstances) and I'll find you a thousand reasons for everything! |
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Aug 26 2009, 11:05 AM
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Loves Greek Women esp Fay Group: Moderators Posts: 14,924 Joined: 19-May 06 From: Bangalore,India Member No.: 1,865 |
^^
+ 1 million. |
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Aug 26 2009, 12:36 PM
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Pulcini 99  Group: Full Members Posts: 34 Joined: 19-September 06 Member No.: 2,536 |
If I were to choose in between Rino & Ambro for the DM spot, I'd go for Rino. It was great to see how Rino made Cissy Ron his *****. He made Cissy fall on to the ground, wave his hands and groan like a pregnant lady. Forza Rino!
Of course, I love Ambro for his wonderful assist to Gila in the CL semifinal against Man Utd. |
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Aug 26 2009, 05:12 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 6-March 08 From: Canada Member No.: 3,763 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 26 2009, 01:11 AM) (Just out of curiosity, what position would you say Barry/Petrov/Alonso/Carrick play?) Yet han says Rino doesn't attempt many passes because he knows his limitations. Doesn't sound like much of a footballer to me, which he isn't. they are holding midfielders/playmaykers. they have defensive reponsibilites, but get involved in the attack a lil more than they are concerned about defending (especially with petrov, alonso, barry) and of the 4 alonso i consider below average at defensing for central midfield player. whereas a defensive midfielder or midfield destroyer. focuses much more on his defensive duties and wont venture forward as much since that is not his focus, in fact he sacrifices this priveledge so that others can attack. ei ambro and gattuso i think a good example would be to compare vieira and makalele, both have defensive reponsbilities but makalale covers the space left by vieira whent hey have possesion becuase he ventures more much more. veira being the holding midfielder, makalele being the pure defensive mid. yes i agree ambro is better going forward than gattuso, but IMO the only reason he does this cuz we dont field that many attacking options. normally its 1 striker, two attacking mids, and a playmaker (pirlo) or 2 strikers, 1 attacking mid, and a playmaker. when the 1 striker is fielded normally we have ambro with another dm and pirlo rarely gets high up the pitch so ambro ends up playing as a winger and is given that extra freedom. meaning if ambro was in any other team he would be afforded as much freedom in the attacking zone, and from what i see when i watch milan games gattuso is more ffective defensively and not from foul stats. thats why i rate him higher. This post has been edited by Habitant: Aug 26 2009, 05:27 PM |
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Aug 26 2009, 05:26 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,640 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 26 2009, 04:12 PM) they are holding midfielders/playmaykers. they have defensive reponsibilites, but get involved in the attack a lil more than they are concerned about defending (especially with petrov, alonso, barry) and of the 4 alonso i consider below average at defensing for central midfield player. whereas a defensive midfielder or midfield destroyer. focuses much more on his defensive duties and wont venture forward as much since that is not his focus, in fact he sacrafices this priveledge so that others can attack. ei ambro and gattuso i think a good example would be to compare vieira and makalele, both have defensive reponsbilities but makalale covers the space left by vieira whent hey have possesion becuase he ventures more much more. veira being the holding midfielder, makalele being the pure defensive mid. yes i agree ambro is better going forward than gattuso, but IMO the only reason he does this cuz we dont field that many attacking options. normally its 1 striker, two attacking mids, and a playmaker (pirlo) or 2 strikers, 1 attacking mid, and a playmaker. when the 1 striker is fielded normally we have ambro with another dm and pirlo rarely gets high up the pitch so ambro ends up playing as a winger and is given that extra freedom. A bad left sided winger to be exact.... He's not fast, can't cross especially with his left weaker foot, can't shoot, doesn't know how to get the over lapping fullback involved. So there goes the theory that he's good going forward (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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Aug 26 2009, 05:30 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 6-March 08 From: Canada Member No.: 3,763 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2009, 05:26 PM) A bad left sided winger to be exact.... He's not fast, can't cross especially with his left weaker foot, can't shoot, doesn't know how to get the over lapping fullback involved. So there goes the theory that he's good going forward (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) well better than gattuso. |
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Aug 27 2009, 06:59 AM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Aug 26 2009, 06:45 AM) After four pages of discussion i am surprised that no one else has stated; it is irrelevant which player is superior, the important thing is that both players benefit the squad in their own little ways, and both can co-exist in the same lineup, and squad, and both can be used interchangeably Agreed with everything you said except the bold part. I've always felt having one of them in the lineup is enough (unless we're facing a very attacking side like Barca). glad Leo was smart enough to use only one of them against Siena. |
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Aug 27 2009, 08:53 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 3,371 Joined: 30-October 05 Member No.: 782 |
The Xmas tree formation is very effective in Europe, but when you are playing a team like Bologna there is no real need for three deep lying midfielders. On that point i agree, but against the stronger teams, a midfield consisting of two AM, two DM and a deep playmakers is effective
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Aug 27 2009, 11:35 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 22 2009, 08:55 AM) Like I said before, there's a reason Gattuso is known World wide and that's because of his image. If Ambro was more vocal and got into confrontations then that'd give him a bigger profile too. he does and we usually go down a man because of it |
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Sep 27 2009, 10:37 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 1,313 Joined: 24-December 05 From: Tartu, Estonia Member No.: 1,063 |
Ambro. No chance to vote other way.
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Sep 27 2009, 11:46 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
can't we just agree we can't win with either..
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Sep 29 2009, 08:18 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,627 Joined: 19-April 06 Member No.: 1,660 |
How about they both suck donkey balls and both sit on the bench when beckham comes in january.
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Sep 29 2009, 09:01 AM
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Esordienti A 95 Group: Full Members Posts: 510 Joined: 7-July 09 From: lagos, nigeria Member No.: 6,656 |
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 29 2009, 08:18 AM) How about they both suck donkey balls and both sit on the bench when beckham comes in january. yay, beckham..... |
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Sep 29 2009, 01:22 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
QUOTE (ganney @ Sep 29 2009, 04:01 AM) yay, beckham..... pmg i can't F*cking wait!!! |
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