[Jack Bauer]

The summer thread was too depressing (at least for me) so let's start a new one.

What do you expect to see (besides Honda) ?

[mishie]

Pato was not trained properly and his injuries were all muscle related, that was do to the way Milan had him bulking up. SES hasn't inspired me at all, I'm not convinced playing thru the middle is the answer either. Mario would play better off Matri than he would Pazzini. Matri tends to do some work out of the box, his hold up play is pretty decent and can bring other players into the game. with the return of Kaka i think the prospect of Matri over Pazzini will become a reality.

[han2503]

Pato was not trained properly and his injuries were all muscle related, that was do to the way Milan had him bulking up. SES hasn't inspired me at all, I'm not convinced playing thru the middle is the answer either. Mario would play better off Matri than he would Pazzini. Matri tends to do some work out of the box, his hold up play is pretty decent and can bring other players into the game. with the return of Kaka i think the prospect of Matri over Pazzini will become a reality.

Matri can do work outside the box?

Even if you haven't watched him these last few years at Juve, his 20 minute appearance for us should tell you that he can do no such thing.

Work outside the box? Look at what SES does on a weekly basis travelling up and down the wing defending or how him and Balo linked up so well against PSV. Look at the work Pazzini did last season, especially in that game against Barca. Matri is just not even as good as Pazzini, let alone as good as SES who is one of the most sought after young players in football

I understand not being inspired by him yet, but you seriously cannot tell me that you'd bench him in favour of Matri.

[mishie]

Matri can do work outside the box?

Even if you haven't watched him these last few years at Juve, his 20 minute appearance for us should tell you that he can do no such thing.

Work outside the box? Look at what SES does on a weekly basis travelling up and down the wing defending or how him and Balo linked up so well against PSV. Look at the work Pazzini did last season, especially in that game against Barca. Matri is just not even as good as Pazzini, let alone as good as SES who is one of the most sought after young players in football

I understand not being inspired by him yet, but you seriously cannot tell me that you'd bench him in favour of Matri.

for a start i'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Conte said that Matri was the best striker for counter-attacking because he holds the ball, lays it off and then makes his way into the box...his words not mine.

As for Pazzini i'd pick him over Matri and SES over him so that tells you what my opinion of him is.

My opinion doesn't matter i was merely stating what i think will happen. As for SES and his work outside the box yes you're correct he does travel up and down the wing and does a superb job, but that was in a 4-3-3 Allegri will now go 4-3-1-2.

Listen I'm not saying Matri is better or worse than anyone else or Pazzini or SES or anyone else i'm simply stating what i think will happen

[han2503]

for a start i'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Conte said that Matri was the best striker for counter-attacking because he holds the ball, lays it off and then makes his way into the box...his words not mine.

As for Pazzini i'd pick him over Matri and SES over him so that tells you what my opinion of him is.

My opinion doesn't matter i was merely stating what i think will happen. As for SES and his work outside the box yes you're correct he does travel up and down the wing and does a superb job, but that was in a 4-3-3 Allegri will now go 4-3-1-2.

Listen I'm not saying Matri is better or worse than anyone else or Pazzini or SES or anyone else i'm simply stating what i think will happen

Well I seriously hope that you're wrong (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And Conte was talking BS about not wanting Giaccherini and Matri to leave, does that mean he was telling the truth? I think he was mostly just being diplomatic instead of waving the Loser sign in our faces and yelling "Gotcha Suckas" for buying Matri off them (their 4th choice) for more than they paid for Tevez

Also I think SES or whoever partners Balo upfront will have to drop back and help out the midfield.

Before with the 4-3-3 the 2 "wingers" tended to defend a lot, because Allegri just can't help himself, and even when we played the 4-3-1-2 when Ibra was here, the other striker tended to drop back and defend, which is why he usually preferred Robinho over Pato, not to mention that we had a box-to-box workhorse as the AM.

Now we're going to be playing a proper trequartista. So the striker next to Balo will need to be able to drop with Kaka to make part of the midfield when we're defending, because Balo ain't going to be doing anything of the sort.

[mishie]

Well I seriously hope that you're wrong (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And Conte was talking BS about not wanting Giaccherini and Matri to leave, does that mean he was telling the truth? I think he was mostly just being diplomatic instead of waving the Loser sign in our faces and yelling "Gotcha Suckas" for buying Matri off them (their 4th choice) for more than they paid for Tevez

Also I think SES or whoever partners Balo upfront will have to drop back and help out the midfield.

Before with the 4-3-3 the 2 "wingers" tended to defend a lot, because Allegri just can't help himself, and even when we played the 4-3-1-2 when Ibra was here, the other striker tended to drop back and defend, which is why he usually preferred Robinho over Pato, not to mention that we had a box-to-box workhorse as the AM.

Now we're going to be playing a proper trequartista. So the striker next to Balo will beed to be able to drop with Kaka to make part of the midfield when we're defending, because Balo ain't going to be doing anything of the sort.

We all know that a striker had to go from Juve because of the money situation. Either Matri or Quag were going to go, if i'm honest with Llorente underperforming then yes i do believe that Conte would've preferred Matri over Quag to stay.

If you look when Balotelli and Cassano played together for Italy Mario did do a fair bit of defending pushing out wide so don't underestimate the possibility of him doing that and 1 thing that has improved since he joined from Man.City is his workrate for the team.

[han2503]

We all know that a striker had to go from Juve because of the money situation. Either Matri or Quag were going to go, if i'm honest with Llorente underperforming then yes i do believe that Conte would've preferred Matri over Quag to stay.

If you look when Balotelli and Cassano played together for Italy Mario did do a fair bit of defending pushing out wide so don't underestimate the possibility of him doing that and 1 thing that has improved since he joined from Man.City is his workrate for the team.

No matter what the situation at Juve, they all high fived each other at the extortionate fee they got for him, the Juve fans practically threw a party about it for crying out loud.

And it's a completely different ball game here, doing it for 2 or 3 games in the Euros for Italy doesn't mean that he'll be doing it week in week out for Milan for an entire season.

And really, to have Balo dropping back deep to defend and support a player like Matri would be a huge waste.

[mishie]

No matter what the situation at Juve, they all high fived each other at the extortionate fee they got for him, the Juve fans practically threw a party about it for crying out loud.

And it's a completely different ball game here, doing it for 2 or 3 games in the Euros for Italy doesn't mean that he'll be doing it week in week out for Milan for an entire season.

And really, to have Balo dropping back deep to defend and support a player like Matri would be a huge waste.

The fee is neither here or there tbh.

Yes you're right about Balo and the Euro's but give me a break here you're busting my nuts over every suggestion! lol
the template is there for him to play a role like that, either Matri or Pazzini will be the 1 playing up top can't imagine it being any other way so Mario's role will differ, but thinking about the PSV game how deep did Mario come to lay on the pass for Poli runs for the 3rd goal?

All this is conjecture until we see after the break