We don't need Gooch in future. He is weak, and never will be Milan material. Onweyu will be at most a weak backup. We got more than enough defenders who can be a weak backup for us. Out with the weak backups who have no future and 1, only 1 solid defender in, and we are in so much better shape.

weak? Im suprised that England didn't score 4 goal

okay, we seem not to be at the same level as in rating Gooch, so we will not agree about this, at least not today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I would agree with that, if we were a club that actually gave youngsters a chance that is, we'll probably co-own our most promising defender (Albertazzi) out for next season and we'll lose him just like we're about to lose Paloschi.

I'm not what the new coach will do with the young players next season, but it seems our management don't have faith in them, they keep saying that we're not spending money in the transfer market because we're investing in the Primavera, yet they're concidering not bringing Palo back after the stupid co-own deal they made and they'll probably do the same thing with Albertazzi and Strasser for next season. If they were really serious about the Primavera they wouldn't have renewed Pippo's contract and did everything they could to bring back Paloschi, and wouldn't concider loaning/co-owning Albertazzi but letting him gain experiance with our first team.

Look at Barca, they rarely loan out their top players who come through their youth system, they give them a chance

Yep, that is very sad. Co-owning Paloschi was a big mistake, it was already clear at that point he was very talented. Also Albertazzi is very talented. Best would be just to keep them at the club, I agree, and give them chances instead of signing Onweyu and renew Pippo's contract to give examples. Now we also want to renew Favalli's contract... oh and we play Oddo as CB instead of Romagnoli or Albertazzi just to make it extra sick.
Yep, we should have done / do the same.

They don't loan out their youth because they turn out good..Milan on the other hand is not so in any way...Only Paloschi played good when given a chance..the rest is ****..Di Gennaro wat? The truth about the matter is that Milan's youth sucks compared to barca's youth..Bojan, pedro, messi..They're all very skilled, talented, fast and fits in barcelona...Milan's youth sucks..tis just the plain truth..

You don't know that. They've never been given a chance to suck or not suck. And the really promising ones we've p!ssed away over co-owns. Paloschi and Albertazzi imo can both potentially become really good players, but if you don't give them a chance then they won't develop, loaning them out every seaosn won't do them any good

hahaha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) agree on that at least

""I see" said the blind man" so some experts here say that we should sell Gooch as we are buying a better CB. How about waking up and smelling the coffee? We are not buying any world class player (Nesta level) especially CB. Aside the fact the he was a solid wall during US vs UK. Whoever didn't see that probably had him mixed up with Carragher. And don't shove it down on me "Americans defend Gooch" Am american by residence only, Brazillian by Country. There are other positions that need to be filled in before CB and if there is talent in Primavera so be it let them play.

It's been a few days since I've said it so.....

.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) BRING US GIUSEPPE ROSSI!

with my already stated opinion on onyewu, i feel obligated to qualify it further. I appreciate Dracoris' effort in at least trying to maintain some propriety when talking about players like Onyewu.

Not directed at anyone in particular: Whether or not you appreciate their game, doesn't excuse petty name calling. I may not think Onyewu should play too much for us, but would absolutely LOVE it if he nailed down a nice starting spot at a mid-table team. Onyewu, like his game or not, is one of the most respectable model professionals in the game. He's humble, quiet, and obviously cares about the sport more than he does money. More than we can say about guys like Janku and Oddo now isn't it.

However, again, people pointing at the england game as evidence of how good onyewu is are not taking into consideration the sheer lack of identity in the english attack. Without going into nitty gritty analysis of England, i would commend a team profusely if they managed to score often against England - Capello's got their defense pretty decently well drilled by now. However, their attack just isn't as scary as it looks on paper.

That said, if Gooch is gonna stick around and provide cover for our injury-prone starter Nesta and back ups (yepes and bonera) then I am MORE than alright with that. He's no better or worse than Senderos, and literally has no wage demands.

@Fish: i truly appreciate rossi's talent. but, what formation would you play if we got him? he's too good to be left on the bench, but in order to play him you would have to sacrifice either pato or dinho. Seeing as i think both of the brazillians have their places in the starting XI nailed down, wouldn't that litany of choices be more of a problem (ego's) than it would a luxury (world class second striker rotation)? also, if we're buying a striker, don't you think a striker that combines physicality with sheva's skill/accuracy/directness in front of goal (basically describing Dzeko) be more appropriate? Borriello has had some nice finishes this year, but isn't what I would call a clinical striker...isn't CF more of an issue than SS?

However, if we sold Ronaldinho for 20, bought Rossi for 15, and used the spare change from that transaction, a huntelaar sale, and cash to get Dzeko...then i'd be over the moon.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Jun 16 2010, 01:06 AM

1. Who said about signing a world class player? We need people like Otamendi or Bonucci, not world class but good enough and with future perspective.

2. Well, I wasn't referring only to you, Mr. Brazilian.

So let's agree to disagree on the Onyewu issue and move on, shall we? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(+1 cookie for your post, vnata).

EDIT: Tuttomercatoweb has a couple of late rumors --

* they say Sky Italia is reporting that Parma have made an offer for Kaladze. However, given that he's refused other offers due to his wage demands.....

* (this one doesn't have a recognized source behind it so treat with caution) they're reporting a possible swap with Bayern -- Huntelaar for Klose.

This post has been edited by Fishdoll: Jun 16 2010, 01:58 AM

I'm dropping the issue before it becomes any more heated. I think Gooch can play for Milan as a bencher, others don't. Fair enough.

Rossi-- I'll defend Ronaldinho's performance this year very strongly, but if a top quality bid came in for him (25-30m) I wouldn't think twice as Rossi would be a spectacular replacement. As V said earlier, we would have to lose one of Pato or Dinho to get him and I think the latter is more likely.

This fantamercato lineup would make me very happy:





EDIT:

Speaking of 30m bids....

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=27395

This post has been edited by Dracoris: Jun 16 2010, 02:40 AM

any new news on lazzari coming?