[Rossoneri7]

I don't see what the relation is between the top paragraph and the bottom one. You said "Name the best players in each position for the Italian NT" Obviously there's going to be no foreigners, as no foreigners can play for the Italian NT.

That's exactly it Kurt, the foreigners cant play in the NT, hence you don't have such a strong NT but have a rather strong league .. yes? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



p.s. This was not a swipe at you (since that is how you usually take it, so chill).

[kurtsimonw]

That's exactly it Kurt, the foreigners cant play in the NT, hence you don't have such a strong NT but have a rather strong league .. yes? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


p.s. This was not a swipe at you (since that is how you usually take it, so chill).

But surely I could just do the same as you, but in reverse? No?

When you think of the England NT and take the best players from each position, you think of James, Carragher, Richards, Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Joe and Ashley Cole, Owen, Rooney, etc.

But In Serie A when you think of Strikers, you think Ibrahomovic or Trezeguet, not Del Piero or Inzaghi. And in midfield the best is clearly Kaka'.

I personally do think the best GK and DEF in the league this season have been English. James has been alot better than Cech, and Ferdinand has had the best season of his career by a mile at the back. But to be honest, you can make points for and against every league. In my opinion Italy and Spains best player doesn't even play in their own league - Toni and Torres - while only Beckham of any decent English players plays out of the country.

It's something that will never end, especially as the leagues seem to just go through cycles of dominance and the NTs are very up and down, it's just a matter of opinion. What somebody thinks is great, another person will think is rubbish.


What makes you think it's personal? Why do you think that because somebody disagrees with you they take it personally. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Apr 19 2008, 04:07 PM

[whoarethepatriot...]

Inter and the Premier league can rest easy, this proposal would never come through as it contravenes the EU's free movement of labour

[Tennie]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Oh dear. Kurt and I are agreeing about something related to English football. Surely the sky is falling.

I think Kurt's spot on about David James. He's been very good indeed this year.


As for the Blatter proposal, I think it would be very good for the sport of football. That said, I don't think the business of football would be at all in favor of it and, well, it does contravene the free movement of labor laws.

I look back with nostalgia on the days when teams could only field 3 non-national players at a time.

[Rossoneri7]

But surely I could just do the same as you, but in reverse? No?

When you think of the England NT and take the best players from each position, you think of James, Carragher, Richards, Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Joe and Ashley Cole, Owen, Rooney, etc.

But In Serie A when you think of Strikers, you think Ibrahomovic or Trezeguet, not Del Piero or Inzaghi. And in midfield the best is clearly Kaka'.

I personally do think the best GK and DEF in the league this season have been English. James has been alot better than Cech, and Ferdinand has had the best season of his career by a mile at the back. But to be honest, you can make points for and against every league. In my opinion Italy and Spains best player doesn't even play in their own league - Toni and Torres - while only Beckham of any decent English players plays out of the country.

It's something that will never end, especially as the leagues seem to just go through cycles of dominance and the NTs are very up and down, it's just a matter of opinion. What somebody thinks is great, another person will think is rubbish.
What makes you think it's personal? Why do you think that because somebody disagrees with you they take it personally.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It's not about rubbish ... And it's not about disagreeing (all I have to do is mention the EPL or the England NT and state my opinion, if its negative, you'll always do a Galliani, then again Galliani's team has backed itself with honors (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) ... I was just stating a point.

Clearly Kaka is a phenomeno and Ibra cadabra is a player of great quality ... There is no doubt that in the top European leagues, you will find foreigners of high quality, no doubt


But your missing the point again (lets try again (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and u don't need to 'agree'), when you take Serie A; take out the best players in the league, the majority would be Italians. Sure Toni plays his trade in Germany as Cannavaro plays in Spain (but that said, there is no demand for the English players outside of EPL ... Becks is the excepion to the rule, maybe Owen !? but what happened to him ... If you wanna look at an English man abroad, Gaza (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) but you dont wana go that far back ).

Sure Lampard, Gerrard, Carra, Ferdinand, and Rooney are all world class ... They have all played their trade at the top. But then again, who is James ?! Richards ?! King ?! I mean we are talking world class here and non of these guys fit the bill. Compare that to the Italy NT or Germany NT, I am 100% sure you will find a stronger foundation of a NT in them than you would find in the England NT.


Maybe Capello can set the records straight ... Maybe he cant, but it is a fact that when you look at how rich (in quality) the EPL is, the burden definitely rests on foreign imports. And of course this is my opinion in the end.

But proof lies in that where is the England NT honors ?! Where is the gold ? silver ? bronze medal ?


I have always told you that I am shocked of how unlucky the England NT is, and have always reiterated that the prob is the lack of a world class Gkeeper. Maybe Capello can finally get one of those honors.

[dst]

Well yes its 11 of the best then a good bench (plus a great coach) ... Thats a given.
But what I meant was Serie A, has more of an Italian feel to it. I mean you look at the Italian championship (regardless of the cugini of course) and can get that feel. You could say the same about the Bundesliga.

I too prefer to see each league have an indigenous core and feeling, we agree on that.

But what you said about the WC has nothing to do with this in my view.

In my opinion Italy and Spains best player doesn't even play in their own league - Toni and Torres - while only Beckham of any decent English players plays out of the country.

Is this a good or a bad thing?

[kurtsimonw]

Which part? I think it's good that the England squad is primarily basied in it's own league. I don't think it's good when your best player doesn't even play in your own country, if it's a top league and you're born in that country, why leave?

[dst]

Which part? I think it's good that the England squad is primarily basied in it's own league.

I think it does not matter.

I don't think it's good when your best player doesn't even play in your own country, if it's a top league and you're born in that country, why leave?

why not leave?

We are just disagreeing though I don't think this is getting anywhere! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

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We would be here for days.. weeks.. years if we kept this up.

[Jack Sparrow]

^^^

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I don't get your point. You've already been here a year. So you still haven't made up your point whether your coming or going...