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Nov 22 2009, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE (ganney @ Nov 22 2009, 12:29 AM) the truth is video replay in football already exists, for instance on a weekly basis in the EPL tha FA watch replays after appeals against red cards, many times these appeals are successful and the red cards are then rescinded why can't there also be a system where teams can after the game appeal against the legitimacy of dubious looking goals and such goals simply get chalked off. i just don't understand why today replays are only being used to determine if .....adebayor's goal celebration against arsenal was excessive+ didn't adebayor bag a 3match ban for his stamp on van persie which the ref didn't see? why should'nt henry also get a ban for the handball? eduardo also got an ECL ban for diving which was detected after video replays
FIFA don't really wanna rid this beautiful game of controversy +1 if we use the video replays in time the game is running i would think im watchin a tennis game ... barca last year did not deserve to be in the final .. chelsea deserved it ... but why didn't they give chelsea 4 goals from the penalties they didn't get ..(IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ?(IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) because this is football ... without these tricky thangs that happen on the court and the refs bad decisions the game won't be anymore exciting ... for the fans other then seeing ronaldo or ronaldinho or pato or kaka or messi or ibra dancing with the ball in front of the defenders ...
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Nov 23 2009, 01:52 PM
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The ref was just useless. If UEFA wanted Chelsea out so badly they wouldn't have left Barcelona with 10 men.
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Nov 24 2009, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2009, 01:04 PM) But that'd mean 2 all-England Finals in a row, something Platini didn't want. And as if by magic, it didn't happen. What dst said. Also, both finals Chelsea vs. United AND Barca vs. United are great finals for UEFA. Two big teams etc blabla, great to sell. QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2009, 03:09 PM) On the video replay thing, it shouldn't happen. How far down the footballing system do you use it? Surely it should be everything or nothing? I agree. Video replays will only slow the game down. Clubs already spend zillions of Euros on game analysis. They can analyse verything AFTER the game. Sport is unfair from time to time. As is life. That's what makes it so interesting.
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Dec 5 2009, 09:19 PM
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Video replays wouldn't work.
They were analysing the City goal today and couldn't agree, using evidence, on whether Kompany I think it was deliberately handballed it.
I've held this view for a long time, and Kevin Keegan and Craig Burley both agree with me - whether it's a ref on a pitch or someone in a video room - end of the day someone has to make a decision based on how they see an event - and video replays often do not help with this.
Every so often one MASSIVE thing crops up, like the Henry handball, and the debate is ignited again, but how exactly would this evidence be used? Only for the really big calls? For the big and medium ones? For all of them?
Nah, it's too controversial and just wouldn't help as much as its supporters think it would.
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Dec 5 2009, 09:30 PM
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I think it would be great for football as it would limit diving, cheating and complaining. Footballers and coaches complain about penalties and fouls all the time but if they had the freedom of challenging for a certain call then they would just shut the **** up and do exactly that if they were so sure they had been wronged. For situations that this cannot be done, it would simply change nothing as some things just cannot be agreed on. So, overall it would be positive in my view.
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Dec 6 2009, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 5 2009, 08:19 PM) They were analysing the City goal today and couldn't agree, using evidence, on whether Kompany I think it was deliberately handballed it. I think this part of the rule needs changing. Handball is handball, deliberate or not. Micah Richards arms deflected the ball into Adebayors path for the goal. Intentional or not, Man City gained an advantage by something that isn't allowed. What if you're on the line and somebody smashes the ball at your arm and it doesn't go in because of this? It was deliberate so should they just carry on? No, it should be a red card and penalty, in my opinion. Using the word deliberate is silly in football. It's basically like saying fouls only count as fouls if it was deliberate.. but how many players actually intend to get the player and not the ball? If it hits your hand, it's handball, in my opinion.
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Dec 6 2009, 02:32 PM
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I consider it vital to distinguish a deliberate action from one that is not. In my view a deliberate handball inside the area should always be a penalty and a yellow card or red card if the ball is going goalwards. When it's not deliberate I think it should be a foul unless the ball is going goalwards in which case it should be a penalty and a yellow card. The way I see it, it's ridiculous to give penalties like the one we won against Real Madid at San Siro. It's a damn cross that hits a defender's hand when he has no intention to do so and it's going to be cleared 9 times out of 10 by his teammates. That should be an indirect free-kick, defenders are terribly wronged in such cases.
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Dec 6 2009, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Dec 5 2009, 09:30 PM) I think it would be great for football as it would limit diving, cheating and complaining. Footballers and coaches complain about penalties and fouls all the time but if they had the freedom of challenging for a certain call then they would just shut the **** up and do exactly that if they were so sure they had been wronged. For situations that this cannot be done, it would simply change nothing as some things just cannot be agreed on. So, overall it would be positive in my view. I don't think video replays would be a good idea. Since the 1980ies many things in football changed for the worse. It's slowly turning into a Disney version of the sport it once was. Diving, cheating and complaining is a part of the game. It's not chess ffs. Complaining etc. only means that you're a human being with emotions. To prevent that we'd have to play robots instead of humans.
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Dec 6 2009, 03:16 PM
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Video replay would not eliminate complaining, it would just slim it down to normal limits. Footballers complain (like total douchbags I might add) about someone farting in another town these days, it's gone way over the edge!
Also, what do you think has changed for the worse?
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Dec 6 2009, 03:55 PM
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I have to admit that I'm really a traditionalist when it comes to football culture. I mostly admire players of the past like Netzer, Rivera, Best, Cruijff or Basler. That said, football has changed, like I said in my previous post, into a Disney version of itself. Everything is bright coloured and served in small pieces. Most players are boring on and off the pitch. Only a few are brave enought o say more than "Yeah it was a good game blablabla...". When I look at the German NT for example. We have some great players, without a doubt, but Löw doesn't want great characters. People with their own thoughts, ideas etc. He threw Frings out of the team because he had an opinion and he would also throw out Ballack if he were replaceable. I miss players like Netzer who substituted his own person once. I want people like Cantona who aren't string puppets. Also, a lot has changed since football became a sport for the uninterested mass. Everyone thinks he or she knows about football. Football is complicated . Everyone thinks he knows about it, but only a few do. I don't wanna say I'm one of the latter, but I hate people who only watch football during World Cups and Euros and wanna tell me about the quality of players. Also, the fact that bored rich people continue to buy random clubs doesn't make it any better. And then a patron like Dietmar Hopp (Hoffenheim owner) complains because the fans insult his plastic club. I also hate many modern stadiums. When I go to the Arena in Schalke or in Gladbach I feel like I'm in a hall. It doesn't feel like a football stadium. And I don't wanna buy a plastic card for every new stadium I visit. And why the hell do they start to sell salad in a football stadium? I wan't a beer with fries or a sausage (in Germany that is. Other countries can of course sell what they want). And I don't want stupid Ultras to annoy me with their stupid chants and the great atmosphere they create with military precision. And that's only a few of the things I dislike.
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Dec 6 2009, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (LaPalma @ Dec 6 2009, 02:55 PM) I have to admit that I'm really a traditionalist when it comes to football culture. I mostly admire players of the past like Netzer, Rivera, Best, Cruijff or Basler. That said, football has changed, like I said in my previous post, into a Disney version of itself. Everything is bright coloured and served in small pieces. Most players are boring on and off the pitch. Only a few are brave enought o say more than "Yeah it was a good game blablabla...". When I look at the German NT for example. We have some great players, without a doubt, but Löw doesn't want great characters. People with their own thoughts, ideas etc. He threw Frings out of the team because he had an opinion and he would also throw out Ballack if he were replaceable. I miss players like Netzer who substituted his own person once. I want people like Cantona who aren't string puppets. Also, a lot has changed since football became a sport for the uninterested mass. Everyone thinks he or she knows about football. Football is complicated . Everyone thinks he knows about it, but only a few do. I don't wanna say I'm one of the latter, but I hate people who only watch football during World Cups and Euros and wanna tell me about the quality of players. Also, the fact that bored rich people continue to buy random clubs doesn't make it any better. And then a patron like Dietmar Hopp (Hoffenheim owner) complains because the fans insult his plastic club. I also hate many modern stadiums. When I go to the Arena in Schalke or in Gladbach I feel like I'm in a hall. It doesn't feel like a football stadium. And I don't wanna buy a plastic card for every new stadium I visit. And why the hell do they start to sell salad in a football stadium? I wan't a beer with fries or a sausage (in Germany that is. Other countries can of course sell what they want). And I don't want stupid Ultras to annoy me with their stupid chants and the great atmosphere they create with military precision. And that's only a few of the things I dislike. Very well put.
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