[Rossoneri7]

i think this could be a blessing in disguise. look i love gattuso and what he does, but he is a one dimensional, he is terrible at attacking but he does the running around thing perfectly and is good at defending when defenders go forward on set pieces, etc. but lately he hasnt been good at much. maybe if it's long term this will force milan to get sumone new in the midfield which i think is just as important as getting new forwards and defenders. i mean many are saying it's cuz of the world cup but look at teams like man u, chelsea, barcelona, inter... they all have plenty of guys who got far at the world cup and they are doing great. what gattuso and pirlo played 2 or 3 more games than some and suddenly they have the excuse to be tired and ineffective every game. Pirlo got a rest before this one, and has had a few rests this season and he hasnt done anything. and no i dont know for how long but i'll check later. i hope it's for a while so it forces us to shake things up and hopefully he'll be back for the knockout round of CL after the winter break.

Man did u go way off ..

When you look at Milan, the players .. They have been playing constantly for the past (i dont know..) say 5-6 yrs at best at the top of their level .. ie playing in several competitions, playing every 3 days etc etc ..

What more do you think the players can do ? I'm sure they can improve, they can play even better and thrash every and any team, cuz this team was the same one that beat Bayern 4-1 Lyon 3-1 last yr ..

You say we need a new DM ? Well, Gennaro isn't that attack minded; but that is logical he is a DM .. Pirlo Kaka Gila Seedorf are enough for us to attack .. Gennaro would be doing us a favor in covering for them (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ok .. I'd like to know when exactly, cuz we dont have anyone to fill his place, Broochi ?! HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!! No I hope sooner rather than later (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

Man did u go way off ..

When you look at Milan, the players .. They have been playing constantly for the past (i dont know..) say 5-6 yrs at best at the top of their level .. ie playing in several competitions, playing every 3 days etc etc ..

What more do you think the players can do ? I'm sure they can improve, they can play even better and thrash every and any team, cuz this team was the same one that beat Bayern 4-1 Lyon 3-1 last yr ..

You say we need a new DM ? Well, Gennaro isn't that attack minded; but that is logical he is a DM .. Pirlo Kaka Gila Seedorf are enough for us to attack .. Gennaro would be doing us a favor in covering for them (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ok .. I'd like to know when exactly, cuz we dont have anyone to fill his place, Broochi ?! HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!! No I hope sooner rather than later (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Nov 7 2006, 12:07 AM

[I_Rossoneri]

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

Excellent post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Panama Devil]

¿WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY?

I'VE BEEN SAYING IT AND EVERYTHING I GET ARE ATTACKS FROM FELLOW FANS.

I'M STILL A MILAN DEVIL BUT THE TEAM IS CRUMBLING ... AND ... ONCE AGAIN ... KAKA' IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY HAPPIER IF THIS GOES ON ...

ANCELLOTI ... ? IT'S YOUR CALL

[Panama Devil]

EH EHEH EHE EHE EH EH

WAIT

EVERY TEAM NEEDS A PLAYER LIKE GATTUSO ... HE'S O.K.

THE PROBLEM IS:

THAT WE WANT PIRLO IN A SIMILAR ROLE BUT WE ALSO WANT HIM TO ATTACK FROM BEHIND .......... NOOOOOOOOOOOO

GATTUSO HAS TO BE BEHIND PIRLO ...

WE NEED BETTER AND YOUNGER AND TECHNICAL DEFENDERS ... ESPECIALLY IN THE CORNER SO THAT WE CAN PUT PRESSURE ON THE RIVAL AREA ... WE NEED MORE CROSSES .......... WE NEED THAT BALL GOING INTO THE AREA FROM EVERY PLACE POSSIBLE ...

WE NEED TO PLAY OLIVEIRA ALONG WITH GILARDINO OR WITH INZAGHI ..... NOT GILA WITH INZAGHI ........

WE ALL LIKE SEEDORF ... HE'S AN EXCELLENT MAN ... BUT WHEN HE STICKS IN THAT LEFT SIDE OF THE FIELD ... HE ... WELL .... JUST STAYS THERE ALL DAY LONG ... SOMETIMES IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE HE'S HINDERING HIS TEAMATES ... HE'S NOT CONSISTENT ENOUGH ... THERE ARE DAYS WHEN HE INSANELY ATACKS OPPONENTS WITH HIS STRONG KICK ... AND ... IN OTHER GAMES HE'S JUST LOSING THE BALL ALL DAY LONG ... SORRY

SEEDORF IS NOT DOING HIS JOB.

[han2503]

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

In those matches Sheva was practically invisable in both save for his goal moments, especially in the Lyon match.

But you said it yourself in your post, our problems lie deeper then the fact that we are playing with Pippo and Gila upfront, the midfield players are off form save for Kaka, the defence is starting to leak as much goals as last year.

And I read someone's post that said that the players who won the WC shouldn't have an excuse that they are tired because they have been given time to rest. But what you have to take into accaout is that these guys, first played a season that stretched to the CL semi's and all the matches in serie A, then went into the WC summer and continued on to the finals, then because of the calciopoli thing they had to come back early from summer holidays to play a game that in their mind they know they shouldn't be playing because they know that last season they had worked hard enough to avoid it.

[jbryant1]

EH EHEH EHE EHE EH EH

WAIT

EVERY TEAM NEEDS A PLAYER LIKE GATTUSO ... HE'S O.K.

THE PROBLEM IS:

THAT WE WANT PIRLO IN A SIMILAR ROLE BUT WE ALSO WANT HIM TO ATTACK FROM BEHIND .......... NOOOOOOOOOOOO

GATTUSO HAS TO BE BEHIND PIRLO ...

WE NEED BETTER AND YOUNGER AND TECHNICAL DEFENDERS ... ESPECIALLY IN THE CORNER SO THAT WE CAN PUT PRESSURE ON THE RIVAL AREA ... WE NEED MORE CROSSES .......... WE NEED THAT BALL GOING INTO THE AREA FROM EVERY PLACE POSSIBLE ...

WE NEED TO PLAY OLIVEIRA ALONG WITH GILARDINO OR WITH INZAGHI ..... NOT GILA WITH INZAGHI ........

WE ALL LIKE SEEDORF ... HE'S AN EXCELLENT MAN ... BUT WHEN HE STICKS IN THAT LEFT SIDE OF THE FIELD ... HE ... WELL .... JUST STAYS THERE ALL DAY LONG ... SOMETIMES IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE HE'S HINDERING HIS TEAMATES ... HE'S NOT CONSISTENT ENOUGH ... THERE ARE DAYS WHEN HE INSANELY ATACKS OPPONENTS WITH HIS STRONG KICK ... AND ... IN OTHER GAMES HE'S JUST LOSING THE BALL ALL DAY LONG ... SORRY

SEEDORF IS NOT DOING HIS JOB.

Seedorf has scored majority of our goals this season. If that isn't doing his job then what do you say for the other attackers.

He hasn't been as sharp, but who has on this team. Pirlo hasn't done much. Kaka has bursts in and out with his class. Injuries are plaguing us.

As we have mentioned before there is nothing worse than this Gila and Inzaghi combination. That is the real problem with Seedorf and Kaka, they have no one to work with up there.

[jbryant1]

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

Yeah the issue has been transparent for sometime.

I don't think many in here could say they are the same team. We all know Scheva's gone and we failed in getting an adequate replacement.

SO with what we have now, its really this dreaded Gila and Inzaghi combination that fails us and Ancelotti uses it in the scudetto alot. Especially because we play with two defensive minded midfielders, we need a top rate finisher up there. And these guys stand in front of the box doing nothing. Gila is the real culprit at least Inzaghi fights.

With Oliveira in there we have a more active attacker trying to create chances with Kaka. Gourcuff is an active midfielder and I think has more potential to create chances than Gattuso.

But again our bench is pretty weak, we don't have many options offensively to fill the void. Other than our dream of the transfer window that has ended with "We don't need reinforcements, we are happy with what we have."

The core problem is the decision of our managers to cut the fat, attack the transfer market, and start rebuilding.

This post has been edited by jbryant1: Nov 7 2006, 10:23 AM

[Rossoneri7]

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

Your right about the Shevchenko thing, I think it's common knowledge by now .. But, still, it is the same attack ! Ofcourse with the weight of Shevchenko we'd be more dangerous going forward, but with the likes of Inzaghi, Gila, Oli, Kaka .. We still are dangerous and ALL the teams we play against have to defend well, thus playing a catanatio like formation. Or do you think that without Shevchenko, we are not able to match Bayern or Lyon ?!


Gattuso ? It depends on how you play football, if ur Arsenal, Barcelona, etc then yes you need an all round MDfielder, but Milan plays differently .. We play with 3 #10's up front ( Pirlo, Seedorf, and Kaka ..) and with that, u need someone to defuse a counter attack .. Who else but Gattuso ? Anyways, u have Broochi who plays better than Gattuso up front, and u got ur wish Gattuso will be out for a while now, so lets see how it goes for ur theory.

[han2503]

Your right about the Shevchenko thing, I think it's common knowledge by now .. But, still, it is the same attack ! Ofcourse with the weight of Shevchenko we'd be more dangerous going forward, but with the likes of Inzaghi, Gila, Oli, Kaka .. We still are dangerous and ALL the teams we play against have to defend well, thus playing a catanatio like formation. Or do you think that without Shevchenko, we are not able to match Bayern or Lyon ?!
Gattuso ? It depends on how you play football, if ur Arsenal, Barcelona, etc then yes you need an all round MDfielder, but Milan plays differently .. We play with 3 #10's up front ( Pirlo, Seedorf, and Kaka ..) and with that, u need someone to defuse a counter attack .. Who else but Gattuso ? Anyways, u have Broochi who plays better than Gattuso up front, and u got ur wish Gattuso will be out for a while now, so lets see how it goes for ur theory.

Exactly.

We can'tplay Seedorf, Pirlo, Gourcuff and Kaka in the same midfield, that would be unthinkable, now if we had the defence hte we had in the early 90's then it could be CONSIDERED but I doubt it would be used!!! You have to have some kind of distoryer in the mid to do the defensive work, we've got Pirlo, Seedorf and kaka,who when on form are capable of scoring as much as a striker, kaka in particualr has a sco0ring record typical to that of a striker.

Again our problem right nowlie in the off form midfielders and pipo has now decided to lose the form that carried us into the CL, now that we need him the most. This is all just circuamstances working against us. Last year we manages to win big matches with Pipo and Gila, the match against Juve comes to mind.

[X-Offender]

In those matches Sheva was practically invisable in both save for his goal moments, especially in the Lyon match.

I'm sorry but that's just b/s. Sheva was pratically our best player last season, and together with Kakà and Inzaghi we had the best attack of Europe. You can't say he was invisible in those matches, it's insane. He scored a header and gave the assist to Kakà for the 4th goal against Bayern, he pratically scored two goals against Lyon considering our second goal was 70% Sheva's merits. Our attack is not the same without him, he was our leader, our bomber, a living legend. He even wore Paolo's captain band most of the season. We miss, we enormously miss him. That's the truth.

[KillerMax]

I'm sorry but that's just b/s. Sheva was pratically our best player last season, and together with Kakà and Inzaghi we had the best attack of Europe. You can't say he was invisible in those matches, it's insane. He scored a header and gave the assist to Kakà for the 4th goal against Bayern, he pratically scored two goals against Lyon considering our second goal was 70% Sheva's merits. Our attack is not the same without him, he was our leader, our bomber, a living legend. He even wore Paolo's captain band most of the season. We miss, we enormously miss him. That's the truth.

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[han2503]

I'm sorry but that's just b/s. Sheva was pratically our best player last season, and together with Kakà and Inzaghi we had the best attack of Europe. You can't say he was invisible in those matches, it's insane. He scored a header and gave the assist to Kakà for the 4th goal against Bayern, he pratically scored two goals against Lyon considering our second goal was 70% Sheva's merits. Our attack is not the same without him, he was our leader, our bomber, a living legend. He even wore Paolo's captain band most of the season. We miss, we enormously miss him. That's the truth.

I wasn't mentioning the whole season!

In those macthes, the Lyon oone especially he only came alive in the last few minutes.

I never said we don't miss him! Ofcourse we do! More then I even thought we would.

I was singling out 2 particular matches not the whole season!

[X-Offender]

I wasn't mentioning the whole season!

In those macthes, the Lyon oone especially he only came alive in the last few minutes.

I never said we don't miss him! Ofcourse we do! More then I even thought we would.

I was singling out 2 particular matches not the whole season!

Well, even if he didn't show all his class in those matches he was still decisive. Scored two goals and the other things I mentioned.