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post Jul 6 2007, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 05:53 PM)
Weren't we gonna be demoted during his transfer to La Merda (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ...
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No. Check the dates... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) In any case, Galliani admitted he lost him to Inter himself...

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 05:53 PM)
And why is it a patriotic talk ?! I am just speaking the truth. What is everyone gonna do ? Kick Silvio out ?! Give me a break
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The truth? Please... I can give you this: I don't agree with your "truth"... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 6 2007, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 6 2007, 05:41 PM)
Nobody can deny Maldini was awfully disappointing in Athens... He didn't do anything special. it was Nesta who saved our @ss over and over again. just go on and watch the final one more time and focus your attention on Maldini's play and you'll know what I mean...

Maldini should have retired after winning the CL... there's no point in going on and on after having such magnificent career. does he really need another CL or European Supercup or even Intercontinental title?!! let's not kid ourselves, he 40 and he can't perform like he used to, no matter how great he is.

I hope you don't get me wrong, cause I love Maldini as much as you do, but I think it was better for him to retire and free a place for a younger defender.
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I don't want to comment on this now cause it's not been the best of days for me and I know I'm going to regret it...
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post Jul 6 2007, 04:27 PM
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@dst (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Why don't u check the dates (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The reason Milan didn't sign Zlatan was cuz Milan didn't know which league they were playing in AND were not included in the CL prelimenaries ... This is getting really childish ..


Why is everyone complaining when the managment has guarenteed a BIG signing ? Why is everyone complaining when we have just won the European Cup after being tauted to be outsted by Celtic ..

I mean after last season .. The team and managment responded to all doubters that they are the champs of Europe .. Now u found something else to hit back at the club (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Why ? Cuz u aint satisfied we didn't sign Torres for 40M Euros (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Cuz we didn't snatch Suazo from Inter when we had a chance (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

What is the reason behind the managment failing to meet ur levels of satisfaction (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I know one thing for certain. I would cheer on this very team next season, without anyone coming ! This is my truth (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 6 2007, 04:45 PM
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A couple of thoughts here.

1. Re: Maldini - He might not have had the most spectacular individual game during the CL final, but I don't think anyone can put a value on what his presence on the pitch brings to the team. He's the captain and the symbol of Milan and he more than any of us knows when he's fit to play and when he isn't. Would it be smart to start looking around for a young CB? Sure, but it isn't an imperative.

2. Re: the summer transfer market - I think perhaps that a number of posters are a little less patient than they could be. No, Milan haven't made a bunch of big signings like Juve or Man U or Bayern. But there's plenty of time in the market yet and Milan is a team that chooses its buys carefully. They won't just pick up a good player because he's good -- he also has to fit in with the Milan family. The family atmosphere is what makes Milan unique (as R7 says) and I'd rather pass on a Zlatan or an Adriano if his presence means that the family atmosphere is disrupted. I'd rather wait until the right player for Milan is available. So I suggest we all chill and let Fester, Braida et al do their thing. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 6 2007, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 04:27 PM)
@dst (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Why don't u check the dates  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The reason Milan didn't sign Zlatan was cuz Milan didn't know which league they were playing in AND were not included in the CL prelimenaries ... This is getting really childish ..

We knew we were playing Serie A for sure. The only doubt there was the CL. Braida and Galliani confirmed that.

I know that story better than anyone. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 6 2007, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 06:27 PM)
@dst (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Why don't u check the dates  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The reason Milan didn't sign Zlatan was cuz Milan didn't know which league they were playing in AND were not included in the CL prelimenaries ... This is getting really childish ..
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Inter signed Ibrahimovic on August 10. We had a place in Serie A by then... But again: Galliani admitted it himself!!! He made no excuses, he just said Inter were the highest bidders...

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 06:27 PM)
Why is everyone complaining when the managment has guarenteed a BIG signing ? Why is everyone complaining when we have just won the European Cup after being tauted to be outsted by Celtic ..

I mean after last season .. The team and managment responded to all doubters that they are the champs of Europe .. Now u found something else to hit back at the club  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Why ? Cuz u aint satisfied we didn't sign Torres for 40M Euros  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Cuz we didn't snatch Suazo from Inter when we had a chance (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

What is the reason behind the managment failing to meet ur levels of satisfaction (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I know one thing for certain. I would cheer on this very team next season, without anyone coming ! This is my truth (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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First of all, you need to draw the team and the management apart!! They are two completely different units even if they are connected!

1. The team won the European Cup because they had been left out of the race for the championship! And we all know why the team couldn't compete for the championship... It was not just the 8-point penalty! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The management should have done better!

2. It was the team that answered all the questions and responded to the doubters including the management and including me and most of us!! Do not forget it was the same management that were going to oust Ancelotti that were praising him after the Champions League triumph! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

3. You wanna know why I'm not satisfied with the management? Because, unless you believe it was all according to plan, we won the European Cup solely due to the extra-terrestrial effort of our players! Because we would have been in the final in 05/06 if the management had not left the team to sail on their own while it was clear we needed reinforcements... and because it's the same management who think the same team can win through every problem once again and hand them another title THIS TIME IN FOUR DIFFERENT COMPETITIONS! Well, big surprise, the same team cannot do it again, not as it is!!

4. I'm going to be cheering for this team 'till me very last breath and I'm always gonna be thankful to the management for what they've offered to the club but that does NOT mean I'm going to close my eyes to the problems... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And... I'm not fed up with the management yet... that's cause we still have 2 months to sign somebody! That doesn't mean we've been aggressive though... we sure have NOT been!!

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post Jul 6 2007, 05:28 PM
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i agree with dst

our management has not been very aggressive in this market...just as they were not aggressive last summer.

our team, and our team alone, won the CL through difficult odds...it was not because of anything that the management did.

it seems like our management has 2 or 3 favorite players that they focus all of their attention on and let all the other great players go right under their noses.

liverpool, man u, chelsea, bayern, etc. have all made significant transfers already...and all our management says is that ronaldinho, etoo, sheva, and henry are impossible signings.

we will be patient, but i don't know how patient we can be if we end another summer with a disappointing transfer market.
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post Jul 6 2007, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 6 2007, 06:48 PM)
We knew we were playing Serie A for sure. The only doubt there was the CL. Braida and Galliani confirmed that.

I know that story better than anyone.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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I'm sure u do (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) And I'm glade it went the way it did (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2007, 06:51 PM)
Inter signed Ibrahimovic on August 10. We had a place in Serie A by then... But again: Galliani admitted it himself!!! He made no excuses, he just said Inter were the highest bidders...
First of all, you need to draw the team and the management apart!! They are two completely different units even if they are connected!

1. The team won the European Cup because they had been left out of the race for the championship! And we all know why the team couldn't compete for the championship... It was not just the 8-point penalty! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The management should have done better!

2. It was the team that answered all the questions and responded to the doubters including the management and including me and most of us!! Do not forget it was the same management that were going to oust Ancelotti that were praising him after the Champions League triumph! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

3. You wanna know why I'm not satisfied with the management? Because, unless you believe it was all according to plan, we won the European Cup solely due to the extra-terrestrial effort of our players! Because we would have been in the final in 05/06 if the management had not left the team to sail on their own while it was clear we needed reinforcements... and because it's the same management who think the same team can win through every problem once again and hand them another title THIS TIME IN FOUR DIFFERENT COMPETITIONS! Well, big surprise, the same team cannot do it again, not as it is!!

4. I'm going to be cheering for this team 'till me very last breath and I'm always gonna be thankful to the management for what they've offered to the club but that does NOT mean I'm going to close my eyes to the problems...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And... I'm not fed up with the management yet... that's cause we still have 2 months to sign somebody! That doesn't mean we've been aggressive though... we sure have NOT been!!
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dst I agree with you as I agree with han on most of the points ... But I am drawing a line as to where the managment stand not since the beginning, but since last summer's calciopoli and this season.

First off, I am of the opinion that Milan's first XI (including R99) is the strongest around, alongside Inter , Chelsea and Barca. What they edge us in is the quality of their bench ..

Secondly .. The Milan managment is to thank for keeping this team intact throughout the season. During last summer, Milan was faced with several obstacles, of which you all have a clear idea off. Zlatan, Buffon, Zambrotta, and any transfer that was linked to Milan, even Ronaldo at the time. They only got a chance to move in the transfer market only 2 weeks before it closed, by that time the prelimenaries were about to be played. Even so, Milan did move on Gourcuff then Bonera. The latter proving very crucial over the coarse of the season. Then Oliviera whose agent couincidentaly was R10's (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As the season unfolded. Inter were #1 in Serie A, there was no competition, not even Roma. Milan climbed from the bottom of the table, then was not compensated by a points deduction as La Viola, Lazio, etc .. We were the odd ducks in the championsship ever since September. It was no coincidence that we reached the CL final, not cuz we did try harder for the championship as we were struggling to get 4th place. But Milan had a heritage in the CL that streatchs with Maldini to 5 CL out of 7. Moreover, Milan were always the fortrunners to reach the last 4 of the CL, how can you disagree, they have been doing it so consistently for years now

And as the second part of the season stands .. Milan shot up the standings from 18th - 17th to 3rd place in the standings. That is when we played United. Clearly the team had alot on our hands in the championship too.

Then about this summer and how things are going. As things stand, everyone is of the opinion and thinks Milan lost out on several players (Henry, Suazo, etc.. ). Whilest I see it differently, that Milan have their own agenda and have already set targets that Henry and Suazo would be surplus too, it doesn't matter in the end cuz all we 'fans' ever look for is quality transfers (just like the Madrid fans (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ).

Bottom line is .. We can all go and bash Galliani and Braida and laugh it out in the end, cuz deep down we all know that the managment will always maintain Milan to be the best.
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post Jul 6 2007, 06:00 PM
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Guys... just relax. More than 50 days until the market close.
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post Jul 6 2007, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 07:45 PM)
First off, I am of the opinion that Milan's first XI (including R99) is the strongest around, alongside Inter , Chelsea and Barca. What they edge us in is the quality of their bench ..
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We agree on this!

So I guess we also agree on that 1 or 2 signings are not going to make our bench better than Inter's... and also, that in the championship, the bench is of much great importance...

In my opinion, even if we do make a couple of signing this summer we won't be able to compete with Inter. Because we should have made a couple more last season and a couple more the season before that.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 07:45 PM)
Secondly .. The Milan managment is to thank for keeping this team intact throughout the season.
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I don't agree with this. It was the team's unity that kept them intact! On the contrary, the management's demand that Carletto should win the CL in order to keep his place as Milan's coach does not reflect on Milan's family image...

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 07:45 PM)
Even so, Milan did move on Gourcuff then Bonera. The latter proving very crucial over the coarse of the season. Then Oliviera whose agent coincidentally was R10's (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Gourcuff and Bonera were very good signings. Oliveira not so... and the fact that his agent is the same as R20's means nothing; that's not they proper way to snatch great players or else we would have a 50-men squad... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

There were better players midfielders than Brocchi we could have signed though... and we could have gotten Oddo from the beginning!! The difference between what Lotito was demanding and what Milan was offering was just E2m... and in the end we payed that AND gave them Foggia... you call that aggressive?

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It was no coincidence that we reached the CL final, not cuz we did try harder for the championship as we were struggling to get 4th place.  But Milan had a heritage in the CL that streatchs with Maldini to 5 CL out of 7. Moreover, Milan were always the fortrunners to reach the last 4 of the CL, how can you disagree, they have been doing it so consistently for years now

Just for the record, it's 5 out of 8 for Maldini.

Of course I cannot disagree with that! We've been there for a long time now... but what was there that prevented us from going all the way? It was tiredness and low bench quality! That's the biggest reason why we lost the '05 CL final, 04/05 Scudetto, 05/06 CL Semis, 05/06 Scudetto! We lost all that in the final push... If our second-string players were of greater quality we would have reached some of those targets...

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And as the second part of the season stands .. Milan shot up the standings from 18th - 17th to 3rd place in the standings. That is when we played United. Clearly the team had a lot on our hands in the championship too.

The run for 4th place was certainly not an easy one. But if we were competing for 1st place (like in the three previous seasons) we wouldn't be able to rest our key players (again, like in the three previous seasons) and we would have probably lost another target...

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Then about this summer and how things are going. As things stand, everyone is of the opinion and thinks Milan lost out on several players (Henry, Suazo, etc.. ). Whilest I see it differently, that Milan have their own agenda and have already set targets that Henry and Suazo would be surplus too, it doesn't matter in the end cuz all we 'fans' ever look for is quality transfers (just like the Madrid fans (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ).

You're not really trying to convince me that losing out on quality players is a good thing now, are you? In my opinion, our management would prefer to have snatched either Suazo or Henry and in my opinion again, they would have certainly bought one or both of them if we had lost the Athens final and/or there weren't already 30,00 season tickets sold...

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Bottom line is .. We can all go and bash Galliani and Braida and laugh it out in the end, cuz deep down we all know that the managment will always maintain Milan to be the best.

They are repeating some mistakes of the past that got us into a very unpleasant period though... and this is not fine by me!!

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post Jul 6 2007, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 6 2007, 07:15 PM)
A couple of thoughts here.

1. Re: Maldini - He might not have had the most spectacular individual game during the CL final, but I don't think anyone can put a value on what his presence on the pitch brings to the team. He's the captain and the symbol of Milan and he more than any of us knows when he's fit to play and when he isn't. Would it be smart to start looking around for a young CB? Sure, but it isn't an imperative.


I know his presence would bring something extra for the team, but I ask you how long should Milan depend itself on this extra weapon? all good things come to an end one day! that's a motherfvcking fact of life! Milan will have to do without Maldini sooner or later. (like they did in the second leg of the semi final against Man United and they did it well)

I just ask myself what more could Maldini ask for after winning the CL? it could be the best possible way to conclude his career that night, he could do in style, but he decided to continue. I just fear next year he won't have an opportunity as good and ideal as this year to announce retirement, I fear he can't retire in style, i fear he won't have the most spectacular and well-deserved season to do it, that's all... (which for many reasons it is a huge possibility)

I wonder does it even break anybody's heart to see our captain, our symbol, struggle in front of some sh1ty second-rate players like Pennant, Kuyt, etc? or it's just me?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) isn't it disappointing to see he passes the ball the wrong way in at least 50% of times?... after all, his knees are fvcked up, they can't take the pressure anymore. he'll be sidelined every two games or so...
So we should think of a replacement for him and unlike what you say, it is imperative, in fact it is a must. maybe you've forgotten what we've been through in the middle of the season. at one point Carletto had to do without Maldini, Nesta, Kaladze and some others in defense as well! I hope we don't make the same mistake all over again next season and buy one or two good CBs.

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2007, 06:56 PM)
I don't want to comment on this now cause it's not been the best of days for me and I know I'm going to regret it...
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I know you'd cut me to shreds if you could get your hands on me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Well, as far as I know, I said the truth. but for your sake I'm not gonna continue this issue.
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post Jul 6 2007, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2007, 08:17 PM)
So I guess we also agree on that 1 or 2 signings are not going to make our bench better than Inter's... and also, that in the championship, the bench is of much great importance...

In my opinion, even if we do make a couple of signing this summer we won't be able to compete with Inter. Because we should have made a couple more last season and a couple more the season before that.
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one or two signings would be sufficiant .. Not enough for all 5 fronts, but sufficiant.

Inter is a different case .. This time it will be won on the field (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2007, 08:17 PM)
I don't agree with this. It was the team's unity that kept them intact! On the contrary, the management's demand that Carletto should win the CL in order to keep his place as Milan's coach does not reflect on Milan's family image...

Gourcuff and Bonera were very good signings. Oliveira not so... and the fact that his agent is the same as R20's means nothing; that's not they proper way to snatch great players or else we would have a 50-men squad...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Carlo Ancelotti was backed by the club after Istanbul. He has always had the clubs support. It is the fans who consider it otherwise, because the fans wanted him out!

When I made that remark about Oli ... I ment to say the ONLY good thing that came of him was that link (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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There were better players midfielders than Brocchi we could have signed though... and we could have gotten Oddo from the beginning!! The difference between what Lotito was demanding and what Milan was offering was just E2m... and in the end we payed that AND gave them Foggia... you call that aggressive?
Just for the record, it's 5 out of 8 for Maldini.
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Yes there were better players .. But non would be willing to be benched ahead of Gattuso and Pirlo. Oddo ? What about Ronaldo? .. Milan are no push overs, what Lolito wanted was more than 2M. He probably wanted a player or demanded something Milan couldn't offer and that is compramise (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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... but what was there that prevented us from going all the way? It was tiredness and low bench quality! That's the biggest reason why we lost the '05 CL final, 04/05 Scudetto, 05/06 CL Semis, 05/06 Scudetto! We lost all that in the final push... If our second-string players were of greater quality we would have reached some of those targets... 
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Honestly speaking. In 04/05 we had the strongest team then. That was the strongest Milan side of this Mellenium. We had so much quality and we played Juve to the wire! We were Champions of Italy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) And we took Liverpool on like they were a punching bag!

What happened after that ? We still had a strongly willed team. Maybe Shevchenko lost his focus towards the end of the season, cuz he had other ideas in mind (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .. Nevertheless we again took Juve to the wire! A Scudetto we clearly know that Milan deserved on the pitch!

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2007, 08:17 PM)
The run for 4th place was certainly not an easy one. But if we were competing for 1st place (like in the three previous seasons) we wouldn't be able to rest our key players (again, like in the three previous seasons) and we would have probably lost another target...
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Here I do agree, we only had one target to challenge for, stil ..

Even if it was for 1st place dst and we were playing from 0 points at the start of the season ... We would still be exerting the same effort as we would to target a 1st place finish. And with that in mind, Milan would still be protogonists in the CL. As they always have been. How far could they have gone ?! I don't know, but they proved that the current calibure of the Milan players is at it's maximum.


QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2007, 08:17 PM)
You're not really trying to convince me that losing out on quality players is a good thing now, are you? In my opinion, our management would prefer to have snatched either Suazo or Henry and in my opinion again, they would have certainly bought one or both of them if we had lost the Athens final and/or there weren't already 30,00 season tickets sold...
They are repeating some mistakes of the past that got us into a very unpleasant period though... and this is not fine by me!!
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If we had lost the Athens final .. Buffon would be our keeper and Dida would be sold. The week before the final Buffon was keeping his options open and was very sound about it .. The day after Athena, he wanted to stay with Juve (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Had we lost this final. Milan would be active in a very different way in the market .. Thank God we won (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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I think we should all take a 'Porty' approach on things, just cool it down a bit, and see what happens. Milan do not seem the sort of team that will announce anything at all, even if a bid has been placed.

The only time we hear anything is when they have signed the player, so it's official, like with Suazo.
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Well, guys,..first time in days I`m not here around and,..hmh,..

Don`t know what to say,..it seems to me you are fighting about the question who`s to blame and who`s to praise?!

All that stuff said about the management, you guys all have right! The truth is a complex of both approaches. I must say that our board, with Silvio as chairman, had been fighting and winning the same battle over and over again. With Galliani we got a bit different, but still, not out of anything.

I think the matter that envolves us not winning the scudetto is more complcated then just a problem of not possessing a quality bench. Sure, its the real and biggest football reason. But this season was not only football! It was a Calciopoli season as well, and that means politics, politics that we might could crack on a ignoble level, but not way up to the top. Inter, the only big italian team not involved (not forgetting Roma, but..) in the scandal - and Inter winning the scudetto, well, that simply isnt just football.

I`m really not sure anyomore, I`m not sure we would have won the league even with Dinho, Etoo, Barzagli or Zambrotta on the bench (..or field). I hate conspiracy theories, and I don`t wanna start one. But maybe it was a decision of our board. Maybe it is a decision in general to stay latent in the transfer matters. I do know that the same board, with the same people was, just a few years back, able to bring us all players needed to fill out week positions. Our board wasnt that cautious in transfering players, they had their flops to - Ziege, Lehmann, Javi Moreno,...but they allways were able to make space for new players.

But the Calciopoli found us off guard - we had, and still have to deal with several problems at the same time.

And dont forget all that financial reports. I must really say, I am very proud to be able to say that I`m 100% sure our board has reason and never jumped into the trap of modern time big spenders. Soo, when their finances will start counting unbearable deficites, we will collect their players for 45% of the price they used to pay.
I am really proud Milan dont participate in that Galacticos-"lets make every year a record signing" policies or that we have a Georgii Mihaljenko as president, who is at every time (no offense, but,..) ready to spent his bloody money on new stars. I`m glad we are not bombing the tabliods with transfer summs and hights.

The only real thing I don`t understand is where the hell our scouting is?! Cause my belive is that our transfer policy is old fashioned. But why then there is no aggressive scouting, why dont we find a bunch of boys, young italians, brazilians, turks, or whaterver,..?
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2007, 02:30 AM)
Well, guys,..first time in days I`m not here around and,..hmh,..

Don`t know what to say,..it seems to me you are fighting about the question who`s to blame and who`s to praise?!

All that stuff said about the management, you guys all have right! The truth is a complex of both approaches. I must say that our board, with Silvio as chairman, had been fighting and winning the same battle over and over again. With Galliani we got a bit different, but still, not out of anything.

I think the matter that envolves us not winning the scudetto is more complcated then just a problem of not possessing a quality bench. Sure, its the real and biggest football reason. But this season was not only football! It was a Calciopoli season as well, and that means politics, politics that we might could crack on a ignoble level, but not way up to the top. Inter, the only big italian team not involved (not forgetting Roma, but..) in the scandal - and Inter winning the scudetto, well, that simply isnt just football.

I`m really not sure anyomore, I`m not sure we would have won the league even with Dinho, Etoo, Barzagli or Zambrotta on the bench (..or field). I hate conspiracy theories, and I don`t wanna start one. But maybe it was a decision of our board. Maybe it is a decision in general to stay latent in the transfer matters. I do know that the same board, with the same people was, just a few years back, able to bring us all players needed to fill out week positions. Our board wasnt that cautious in transfering players, they had their flops to - Ziege, Lehmann, Javi Moreno,...but they allways were able to make space for new players.

But the Calciopoli found us off guard - we had, and still have to deal with several problems at the same time.

And dont forget all that financial reports. I must really say, I am very proud to be able to say that I`m 100% sure our board has reason and never jumped into the trap of modern time big spenders. Soo, when their finances will start counting unbearable deficites, we will collect their players for 45% of the price they used to pay.
I am really proud Milan dont participate in that Galacticos-"lets make every year a record signing" policies or that we have a Georgii Mihaljenko as president, who is at every time (no offense, but,..) ready to spent his bloody money on new stars. I`m glad we are not bombing the tabliods with transfer summs and hights.

The only real thing I don`t understand is where the hell our scouting is?! Cause my belive is that our transfer policy is old fashioned. But why then there is no aggressive scouting, why dont we find a bunch of boys, young italians, brazilians, turks, or whaterver,..?
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Brilliant post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) .. and Welcome back (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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