[Rossoneri7]

Let us all hope for a fruitful transfer campaign and then, I think the merda have had enough fun already, it's time to take business into our own hands (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[morgoth]

Who's talking about super stars? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I said he had a lot of technical players which favored the beautiful football ... The 3-5-2 formation you're talking about was used once against Baça in the group stage (1-0) that's all and it wasn't offensive at all!

Carlo never wanted to play with 2 strikers and still doesn't want to, he did it in his first years because berlu said so (remember the match against the merda) and because it worked perfectly, when Sheva went to Chelsea he couldn't play it anymore (Oliveira didn't fit in) so he switched to his old formation with one striker, and when we are 2 goals down he puts a second striker ...

Edit. Oh I forgot to mention that Stam was one of the best CB's in the world and was a star!

This post has been edited by morgoth: May 29 2008, 08:19 PM

[Rossoneri7]

Who's talking about super stars? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I said he had a lot of technical players which favored the beautiful football ... The 3-5-2 formation you're talking about was used once against Baça in the group stage (1-0) that's all and it wasn't offensive at all!

Carlo never wanted to play with 2 strikers and still doesn't want to, he did it in his first years because berlu said so (remember the match against the merda) and because it worked perfectly, when Sheva went to Chelsea he couldn't play it anymore (Oliveira didn't fit in) so he switched to his old formation with one striker, and when we are 2 goals down he puts a second striker ...

Edit. Oh I forgot to mention that Stam was one of the best CB's in the world and was a star!

What Jack is saying is that Ancelotti is not as ridged as you claim. That with a 4-3-2-1 .. It can change within the game to a 3-5-1-2 or any formation which can be dictated by the qualities of Kaka', Seedorf, Pirlo .. How has Kaka' been so confident lately as an SS ?!

Problem is, there is no one on the bench to sub in, like for example Sergio, a player to add pace on the left flank. Key players like that were not available. Heck, not even Ronaldo was available.(this season)

So you can't say he is ridged, because I am a HUGE fan of Carlo, for what he has done for Milan and it has been a while since I have seen Milan play in such a way, such alertness and the understanding within this group that he had molded. He knew his player's strengths and played at that. I mean, Seedorf was played out of position for the most part of his career under Carlo. But why ? There is the genius who knew how to get the most out of his qualities in a tactic that makes Milan so decorated under him, I mean if we Milan fans hail Saachi and Capello today .. a few years down the line when some hot shot coach comes here and things dont go to plan, we will all reminisce. And history will tell.

[morgoth]

What Jack is saying is that Ancelotti is not as ridged as you claim. That with a 4-3-2-1 .. It can change within the game to a 3-5-1-2 or any formation which can be dictated by the qualities of Kaka', Seedorf, Pirlo .. How has Kaka' been so confident lately as an SS ?!

Problem is, there is no one on the bench to sub in, like for example Sergio, a player to add pace on the left flank. Key players like that were not available. Heck, not even Ronaldo was available.(this season)

So you can't say he is ridged, because I am a HUGE fan of Carlo, for what he has done for Milan and it has been a while since I have seen Milan play in such a way, such alertness and the understanding within this group that he had molded. He knew his player's strengths and played at that. I mean, Seedorf was played out of position for the most part of his career under Carlo. But why ? There is the genius who knew how to get the most out of his qualities in a tactic that makes Milan so decorated under him, I mean if we Milan fans hail Saachi and Capello today .. a few years down the line when some hot shot coach comes here and things dont go to plan, we will all reminisce. And history will tell.

Oh I got that, I know he changes the formation within the game, but he doesn't change it to a pure 3-5-2 (with 3 CB's) actually his favourite move is to switch from the clasic tree formation to a 4-4-1-1 or he asks Kaka to play as a SS instead of a trequartista, sometime he also let the WB's play as midfielders, both of them or only one and this is when he plays a sort of 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1.

I got that perfectly but it wasn't what I meant, sometimes I'd like to see Milan play from the start of the match with a 3-5-2, especially against a 5-4-1 formation and a team who came to defend all the match, that's why I say he's rigid because he changes only when he's down and needs a result, plus he clearly prefers to play with one striker and that's been a huge problem for us especially with the WB's we have. Oh and I'm not going to talk about his suspicious substitutions, because I'm sure even a fan like you sees that he does a lot of mistakes when to comes to that matter.

That's basically why I think that Carlo's time at Milan has come to an end. On an other note, it takes great players and a great coach to win titles, Carlo without the players he had two years ago wouldn't have win, and the same goes for Capello and Sacchi but actually I've never seen Capello missing out on a substitution and an obvious choice, he makes aggressive formation to win even if he has to play Del Piero as a winger, and the same goes for Sacchi whose trade mark was the attacking and aggressive football (the pressing defence), but Carlo has never shown those characteristics, let alone some directness and authority, and don't get me wrong I'm grateful for what he achieved with Milan, in fact he's one of our most prolific coaches and I will never forget that, but I think if Milan wants to really change they should include Carlo in the balance.

[Rossoneri7]

Oh I got that, I know he changes the formation within the game, but he doesn't change it to a pure 3-5-2 (with 3 CB's) actually his favourite move is to switch from the clasic tree formation to a 4-4-1-1 or he asks Kaka to play as a SS instead of a trequartista, sometime he also let the WB's play as midfielders, both of them or only one and this is when he plays a sort of 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1.

I got that perfectly but it wasn't what I meant, sometimes I'd like to see Milan play from the start of the match with a 3-5-2, especially against a 5-4-1 formation and a team who came to defend all the match, that's why I say he's rigid because he changes only when he's down and needs a result, plus he clearly prefers to play with one striker and that's been a huge problem for us especially with the WB's we have. Oh and I'm not going to talk about his suspicious substitutions, because I'm sure even a fan like you sees that he does a lot of mistakes when to comes to that matter.

That's basically why I think that Carlo's time at Milan has come to an end. On an other note, it takes great players and a great coach to win titles, Carlo without the players he had two years ago wouldn't have win, and the same goes for Capello and Sacchi but actually I've never seen Capello missing out on a substitution and an obvious choice, he makes aggressive formation to win even if he has to play Del Piero as a winger, and the same goes for Sacchi whose trade mark was the attacking and aggressive football (the pressing defence), but Carlo has never shown those characteristics, let alone some directness and authority, and don't get me wrong I'm grateful for what he achieved with Milan, in fact he's one of our most prolific coaches and I will never forget that, but I think if Milan wants to really change they should include Carlo in the balance.

Scratch this season, because the team was depleted, suffering from injuries, etc ...

On a whole, Carlo will start off with his XI. And that would be the 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 ... Now why doesn't he start with a 3-5-2 or something like that, with 3 cbs, is because he has a style, and that style has brought balance to the team. When your team is balanced, you don't change it! Take your pick at any coach, any WC coach and tell me who changes his tactics from one game to the the other ?!

You cant discard all that he has won, you just cant ! You cant say if he had this or had that, when he pushed a tiered team, a team that had just come out of calciocaos, and drove them to CL success, I don't know how many managers could do such a thing, under the circumstances that Milan suffered ?! This by itself tells you of what caliber this coach is. If you don't see that, I am not forcing you too. Just think about it, is this Milan board dumb enough to keep the same coach, a coach who knows nothing past a 4-3-2-1 formation ?

Arigo Saachi kicked off his career with Milan ... Fabio Capello kicked off his career with Milan. And now Ancelotti had kicked off his career with Milan. These are the notable coaches of Milan. Before they first came here, they weren't of the stature of coaching greats such as Carlos Alberto Parreira ... But you can clearly see Milan know what type of coach their club needs.