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Apr 20 2021, 09:50 PM
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Only Man City are out atm
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Apr 20 2021, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 20 2021, 11:36 PM) This is the worst outcome that could have happened imo I had an inkling that this could just be a major chess game between the clubs and UEFA so that the clubs could finally get a more fair deal out of UEFA. But to do THIS?! Just an embarrassing turn of events imo. At least show some balls and take this down to the wire FFS. UEFA would have caved eventually. Didn't know that it would turn out to be a friendly game of checkers instead (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And it figures that it is the EPL clubs who backed out first, most especially the ones who are bankrolled by oil money. They don't need the money like the other clubs do, they already exist within a hyper greedy entity such as the EPL, which is a breakaway league in and of itself btw I just love the audacity and drama from people like Neville who work for Sky Sports. The sheer lack of self awareness is just laughable FIFA is a huge organization, which had laid the foundations for which this game is played and governed. They had the weight of fans and the masses in their sail to fight this one. The idea of a Super League to get something out of UEFA was a nice thought. Even when you consider the founding clubs are the clubs the carry The global brand. Yet it makes no sense if Milan plays and the chance of relegation is zero. Kills the game to be frank. Think Milan should pull out of this ASAP, as it's clear these clubs have not thought this through. They should have gotten a bigger pool of clubs onboard before announcing. Maybe a Super League with midtable teams and low table teams. A competition of at least 48 teams with two or four groups, that could have been a different story... But all in all FIFA is a huge organization and it's by no means a walk in the park to challenge with just a handful of elite clubs. P. S. Super League sounded more like a Mikey mouse league the way it was drafted than anything else.
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Apr 21 2021, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 20 2021, 09:36 PM) And it figures that it is the EPL clubs who backed out first, most especially the ones who are bankrolled by oil money. They don't need the money like the other clubs do, they already exist within a hyper greedy entity such as the EPL, which is a breakaway league in and of itself btw There's nothing wrong with breakaway leagues, you're missing the entire point. The Premier League was created and broke away for financial reasons. The league structure and the competitive elements of the sport remained. No team, as far as I know, has ever been denied entry to the Premier League open earning promotion. The same as the European Cup becoming the Champions League. For all intents and purposes it was a rebranding. The Premier League can not be held responsible for other clubs mismanaging their finances. Let's not forget, it was Italian clubs in the 80s/90s and Spanish clubs more recently that drove up prices to insane levels. Making English clubs out to be the bad guys is just ridiculous. To suggest the ESL, which would keep the exact same teams in all the time, is the same as the Premier League is madness. Nobody is saying that UEFA or FIFA are saints. We're saying we'd rather have a competition governed by them than 12 clubs running their own league. Who cares if they say they'll invite others? As if a Madrid owned league, with a Madrid employed ref is going to allow someone they deem "lesser" to beat Madrid. The corruption would make current football look saintly.
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Apr 21 2021, 05:35 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2021, 10:06 PM) LMAO, didn't you just ban them like a year ago? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And let them back in in a jiffy. This is why I wanted the clubs to hold their ground. I never said I liked the concept of the 12 teams playing each other constantly in a semi closed competition. And I always mentioned that it probably had more to do with fighting UEFA. But now this has backfired big time. UEFA now hold even more power imo. The clubs should have at least held out for some form of reform QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 21 2021, 12:02 AM) There's nothing wrong with breakaway leagues, you're missing the entire point.
The Premier League was created and broke away for financial reasons. The league structure and the competitive elements of the sport remained. No team, as far as I know, has ever been denied entry to the Premier League open earning promotion. The same as the European Cup becoming the Champions League. For all intents and purposes it was a rebranding.
The Premier League can not be held responsible for other clubs mismanaging their finances. Let's not forget, it was Italian clubs in the 80s/90s and Spanish clubs more recently that drove up prices to insane levels. Making English clubs out to be the bad guys is just ridiculous.
To suggest the ESL, which would keep the exact same teams in all the time, is the same as the Premier League is madness.
Nobody is saying that UEFA or FIFA are saints. We're saying we'd rather have a competition governed by them than 12 clubs running their own league. Who cares if they say they'll invite others? As if a Madrid owned league, with a Madrid employed ref is going to allow someone they deem "lesser" to beat Madrid. The corruption would make current football look saintly. The EPL, namely Chelsea are the ones who first started the insane inflation of the transfer market. Mam City and PSG have just took thing to an unreachable level for everyone else now. Italian and Spanish clubs might have spent lavishly in the past, but nothing like these new state owned/oil backed clubs of today. Not even when you take inflation into account. It's nothing you can even compare And you can't sya the clubs in Italy and Spain are mismanaged. The EPL clubs have a safety net that the ones in La Liga and Seria A simply do not. And you're right, it's for the simple reason that the EPL as a brand ia far more marketable. The language barrier being one of the main reasons for this. Which is something out of the control of the clubs. And again, I never said I liked the general concept, I was al for it because it ment the clubs finally doing something about the corrupt and unjust system monopolized by UEFA QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 21 2021, 12:52 AM) OFFICIAL: Super League suspended.
Well thank f*ck for that. Now back to earning our place in Europe. What a joke! This is far from a good thing imo
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Apr 21 2021, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE Milan ultras claim Super League criticism 'hypocritical'
Milan ultras group Curva Sud released a statement that did not specifically condemn the Super League plan, but rather claimed the outrage is ?hypocritical.?
While fans at Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool and others are all protesting angrily in the hours since the project was announced, Italian supporters have been relatively quiet.
Juventus fans hung up one banner outside the stadium complaining their history was being ?bartered and commercialised,? pointedly including an image of the old logo.
Milan supporters group Curva Sud released a different kind of statement that hit out at the world of football in general.
?Honestly, it makes us laugh to see all those people in the control room of football suddenly claim we fans are first and foremost.
?The Super League is just the latest in a long line of innumerable manoeuvres over decades that has made football into a business.
?The birth of this new competition would certainly be another shove to the football of old, which is by now a distant memory, and will inevitably obscure the tradition of the various national leagues, robbing football of the undeniable principle of sporting meritocracy.
?But the thing that most leaves us indignant is the hypocrisy of all those who contributed to making this sport nothing but a business, those who today stand up in name of the fans, but only because they saw their remunerative and seemingly untouchable project fall apart.
?Football did belong to the people until the 1990s, when the Champions League was born, destroying the old European Cup. From that moment, an unbreachable chasm has been created between the big and small clubs.
?Football did belong to the people even when nobody lifted a finger to stop the increase of ticket prices that was imposed by some Presidents.
?Football did belong to the people even when nobody stepped in to stop the rise of the super agents, who took player salaries to ever more astronomical figures, which could only be sustained with TV rights, the same TV companies that imposed increasingly chaotic fixture lists, with games on improbable days and kick-off times.
?Football did belong to the people even when rules were imposed to stop any rapport between the players and the fans.
?Football did belong to the people even when Supercoppa Finals were played on other continents or the dates of some games were changed a few days before kick-off, damaging those fans who had booked trains or planes to get to the stadium.
?Football did belong to the people even when some clubs were allowed to circumvent Financial Fair Play, while others with less influential Presidents were penalised.
?Football did belong to the people even when the World Cup was forced to Qatar in 2022, despite moving the entire calendar and disregarding human rights violations.
?We could list numerous other examples to show the absolute hypocrisy of the words we?re hearing from the football chiefs over the last 48 hours.
?The Super League is just the latest disgusting step, but those who took football to this point are no less grotesque, so save us these ludicrous performances of rhetoric and morality.
?Now that the money is running out, feel free to fight it out between yourselves, but don?t you dare name the fans. PIGS!? Don't usually agree with the Curva guys but on thia I 100% agree with them
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