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Apr 29 2015, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 28 2015, 08:17 PM) Like I said above, the only reason some are still defending him is because he's Pippo, Imo he's just as indefensible as Allegri was and to make a distinction between the 2 is hypocrisy at its finest.
I understand why one would be reluctant to go hard on him, as was done with Allegri much more easily, I for one would never call Pippo the things I called Allegri, both here and in my head. But at some point you just have to admit that Pippo is in the wrong here. He's making things worse than they need to be and he should have had the decency and courage to resign months ago Why are you repeating this as if you were inside our heads? Who is defending the coach only because it's Pippo? How do you see this? I see some people being concerned about discipline. R7 said his piece, but I think it has nothing to do with Pippo: I'd say he'd make the same post, no regard of Pippo, Allegri, Leonardo or any other coach. I'd like to think I would do the same: I never called Allegri names - other then amateur - which he proved to be at the time. Now you want us to condemn Inzaghi? Sure, like I said before, he's at fault and he has to go. But take a better look. I really think Milan has problems all over the place. If you eliminate the source of the problem (management) and the element that makes things work ie appear better or worse (coach, Inzaghi in this case), I think we have a bad mix of players. Not only do they lack evidently in quality, they have questionable behavior and discipline, the show a lackadaisical attitude, even destructive or careless. Sure, a more experienced coach will cover most of those problems or at least hold them buried. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. To be quite frank: Inzaghi is not good enough and not the right man for this situation. But I seriously doubt this team can do considerably better. It's just poisoned. 3 years without a proper coach, no ambition, used to losing, no real hunger. I don't think a experienced coach is a magic wand that can reverse this trend.
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Apr 29 2015, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2015, 08:54 PM) Why are you repeating this as if you were inside our heads? Who is defending the coach only because it's Pippo? How do you see this?
I see some people being concerned about discipline. R7 said his piece, but I think it has nothing to do with Pippo: I'd say he'd make the same post, no regard of Pippo, Allegri, Leonardo or any other coach. I'd like to think I would do the same: I never called Allegri names - other then amateur - which he proved to be at the time.
Now you want us to condemn Inzaghi? Sure, like I said before, he's at fault and he has to go. But take a better look. I really think Milan has problems all over the place. If you eliminate the source of the problem (management) and the element that makes things work ie appear better or worse (coach, Inzaghi in this case), I think we have a bad mix of players. Not only do they lack evidently in quality, they have questionable behavior and discipline, the show a lackadaisical attitude, even destructive or careless. Sure, a more experienced coach will cover most of those problems or at least hold them buried. But that doesn't mean they don't exist.
To be quite frank: Inzaghi is not good enough and not the right man for this situation. But I seriously doubt this team can do considerably better. It's just poisoned. 3 years without a proper coach, no ambition, used to losing, no real hunger. I don't think a experienced coach is a magic wand that can reverse this trend. Because I do 100% see this distinction that people are making with Pippo. Simple as that really It's not about condemning anyone, but call a spade a spade. And no, no coach would be a magic solution unless it's someone with some serious clout and experience. We've spiralled too much down the rabbit hole at this point for any run of the mill coach to just come in and wipe the slate clean The infection atm is bone deep. The players aren't as good as they should be, but we simply cannot have another huge overhaul in the summer. We've seen this done countless times now. I don't think selling 10 players and bringing 10 new ones in will solve the problem either. Unless there's someone serious coming in to coach the side it's pointless We've heard of Brocchi and Sarri, I mean, you'd think that they would learn their lesson. With Pippo, yes, I do believe that he should have resigned months ago, I would have respected him had he done that And seriously, you say the players are undisciplined and unmotivated, but whose job is it to motivate them and discipline them - emphasise who the man in charge is? Pippo simply has not done that throughout the season. Even abate, one of the guys who I've always commended for his work ethic has looked lethargic and disinterested most of the time.
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Apr 29 2015, 10:18 PM
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Agreed, no question. But I think the problem goes much beyond just Inzaghi, as I always said. QUOTE Because I do 100% see this distinction that people are making with Pippo. Simple as that really Really? Can you at least prove it, if you're 100% sure?
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Apr 30 2015, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2015, 06:18 PM) Agreed, no question. But I think the problem goes much beyond just Inzaghi, as I always said.
Really? Can you at least prove it, if you're 100% sure? It's not possible to prove what thoughts are in a person's head but I think the statements people have made are pretty instructive of their inherent biases or at least the default settings from which they are working. I don't think it's an absurd claim to say that I think any manager this statistically poor without the name Pippo Inzaghi would be more harshly criticized. 10 wins, 13 draws, and 10 losses is an abysmal record for a team of Milan's stature. Based on that alone he should have been sacked months ago. The fact that he hasn't comes down to internal team politics, finances, and acceptance of a lost season. Pippo is not THE problem but he is definitely A problem.
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Apr 30 2015, 01:37 PM
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On the other hand, there cannot be a completely unbiased person. It simply isn't human.
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Apr 30 2015, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2015, 10:18 PM) Agreed, no question. But I think the problem goes much beyond just Inzaghi, as I always said.
Really? Can you at least prove it, if you're 100% sure? How can I do that exactly? Aside from sifting through hundreds of posts... Like I said, it's my perception with regards to how people talk about Pippo now as opposed to Allegri. And let's face it, Pippo is managing to do even worse than Allegri. As for the takeover talk, I don't know whether to be happy or apprehensive about it. We seriously know nothing about this guy.
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Apr 30 2015, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 30 2015, 04:00 PM) How can I do that exactly? Aside from sifting through hundreds of posts...
Like I said, it's my perception with regards to how people talk about Pippo now as opposed to Allegri. And let's face it, Pippo is managing to do even worse than Allegri. Okay, but why is it relevant then? I think everyone will agree that Pippo hasn't been good. Why nitpicking now? Someone likes him for his past and maybe inclines a more lighter critic, someone's maybe not a fan of Pippo since his playing days. So what? Allegri has been bad. Inzaghi has been even worse. What's the point of insisting on nuances? QUOTE As for the takeover talk, I don't know whether to be happy or apprehensive about it. We seriously know nothing about this guy. Well, another shot in the dark. But I do trust Berlusconi on this.
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