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Serie A - Week 1 - Fiorentina - Milan, Date: 23/08/2015 Time: 20:45 CET |
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Aug 23 2015, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 23 2015, 09:51 PM) Some w*nker on Twitter was telling me off for losing faith after that.
He said 'if you don't believe, don't support'.
Some of our fans need crucifying. Like I said at the beginning of the summer. We've "believed" enough!! Time for that belief to be repaid!! Galliani has once again let the club and fans down. I said from the start when transfer budget numbers were being thrown around. Trusting all that money in Galliani's hands after the last decade of screw ups from him would be a mistake. Now we're about to add another average player to our already average midfield and bring in poison like Balo to top things off. Brilliant!!
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Aug 23 2015, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 23 2015, 09:11 PM) I've said it to you han after the Bayern game. The problem is beyond formations, beyond Bayern or in-form and off-form teams. You analyzed everything calmly and rational. But the problem is basic - the same attitude happened again against Bayern. It's also happening now, at season premier when teams usually start with gun-ho attitude and full capacity.
I really hoped that attitude was dead and gone. But here it is over again, luring us into the same old schemes and routines.
If Allegri was the new Zaccheroni, Mihajlović looks to me more and more like the new Terim. Hopefully with the same speedy outcome. The right attitude comes with the right players. When our starting midfield is composed of Bonaventura, Bertolacci and Honda, all average to mediocre players, you know nothing good will come of it. Midfield is the core of every formation. With a great midfield you can help average strikers score and fend for an average defense, too. But we not only have barely invested in that aspect, we have also invested wrong! Bertolacci is not Milan quality. Jose Mauri is Primavera material. Soriano, who seems on his way, is the same as Bertolacci. And we also have Bonaventura, Poli, Montolivo and Honda, once again, all average to mediocre/terrible players. Need I say more?
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Aug 23 2015, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2015, 01:52 AM) To be quite honest, I don't see a single good move bar Bacca. All of them are big gambles, could go either way or are complete failures. At least up until now they were cheap fails, now we crossed that line and are heading into a whole new level. Can't disagree. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Though I'm still hoping Romagnoli comes out good, if not for his sake, for Miha. I said when we transferred him that this move is primarily taking place due to him having played under our new coach. And he must have some talent if Miha is adamant on this expensive signing. We didn't see much of that today, but there you go. Bacca and him. The rest aren't worth talking about. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2015, 02:11 AM) If Allegri was the new Zaccheroni, Mihajlović looks to me more and more like the new Terim. Hopefully with the same speedy outcome. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2015, 02:18 AM) But personally I was weary of the CB duo, that's too green. Oh yeah, wanted to see Mexès start alongside Romagnoli. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Maybe we'll get that in the next match, or even in the derby. Because if we somehow lose 9 points in these first three matches, our season is practically over. That's around 10% of the total points, and we'll be chasing third place at this rate. Or even worse, as Danny mentioned. QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2015, 02:30 AM) Galliani has a week to fix this mess. If this season is a failure that should be his head. Silvio should have never trusted him with that kind of money to begin with Remember when I said that I'd be okay with another season of Allegri, provided Galliani was kicked out. Because I knew, it'll be tough to get rid of Fester even if he keeps on making his trademark mistakes. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Allegri, as bad and rigid a coach as he was, shouldn't have been appointed in the first place, but he did well enough last year. But handing off these new investment funds to Galliani, who is still apparently stuck in the 80s (or 90s) when it comes to the football market, and even personalities, getting the coaching equation wrong time and time again. But hey, I just need to see some positives in how we approach things, or this season is a repeat of the last one. As in, it might become a grind by the time we near the end of the campaign. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Sadly, I don't think Galliani will manage to fix this mess by the end of the month. Only damage control from now on. He has signed the wrong coach, splashed money on the wrong set of players, and lost out on a few solid opportunities. It would have been far better had we spent 120m on the right set of players, rather than wasting 90m on unproven or lackluster individuals. Still, who knows, maybe the old man will surprise us with a couple of good signings. Only one that I can think of is Ibra, if he comes we might mount a challenge or two. If not, we're done.
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Aug 24 2015, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2015, 12:29 AM) The right attitude comes with the right players. When our starting midfield is composed of Bonaventura, Bertolacci and Honda, all average to mediocre players, you know nothing good will come of it.
Midfield is the core of every formation. With a great midfield you can help average strikers score and fend for an average defense, too. But we not only have barely invested in that aspect, we have also invested wrong! Bertolacci is not Milan quality. Jose Mauri is Primavera material. Soriano, who seems on his way, is the same as Bertolacci. And we also have Bonaventura, Poli, Montolivo and Honda, once again, all average to mediocre/terrible players.
Need I say more? But you lack still one point. You see, it's not just about the right players. I've seen Bonaventura and Bertolacci play some very good football, but rarely it's with Milan. And you cannot say that Atalanta or Genoa had the needed creativity to excel and actually make them look better. Take it this way. By your definition all mid-range Serie A teams like Sassuolo, Atalanta, Genoa, Samp, etc. should play like Milan plays because they lack the right players. But somehow, Milan played worse i.e. - they don't play that bad. It's a combination of things, not the right players and not the right attitude.
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Aug 24 2015, 05:01 AM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2015, 02:58 AM) You guys are hilarious. It's one game into a 38 game season. The world is not ending. The entire roster isn't made up of Serie C level talents as one might think reading these comments. It was an incredibly disappointing game but you can't expect to dominate when you're down to 10 men. I reserve judgement until the end of September. i guess i was expecting too much. was very disappointed to see such a crappy display. only good players i saw Bacca and Lopez, Antonelli wasnt bad either. if not for Lopez we might have lost 4-0. lets see the final days of transfer market.
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Aug 24 2015, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2015, 02:58 AM) You guys are hilarious. It's one game into a 38 game season. The world is not ending. The entire roster isn't made up of Serie C level talents as one might think reading these comments. It was an incredibly disappointing game but you can't expect to dominate when you're down to 10 men. I reserve judgement until the end of September. Maybe we are jumping the gun But it has been over 3 years of this now, I think even the biggest optimists will lose hope when it's another season and still we play like we did yesterday. and sure you can blame it on the man advantage Fiorentina had over us. But fact is we had lost control of the game and were struggling to get any sort of momentum going even before Ely was sent off. So it's pointless to blame it on that. As I have been preaching non-stop. That regista is an absolute must, and now with no Ibra coming it's also becoming 100% clear that we also need a proper trequartista, especially if the plan is to go ahead with a pairing of 2 CFs who rely on service. And neither of these moves looks to be happening unless you regard Soriano as an answer to our problems. Add those 2 players and 50% of our problems are immediately solved imo. The other 50% is down to coaching. Miha needs to get these players behind him and playing the way he wants them. I didn't see that yesterday. It was more evident in pre-season games imo, but yesterday it was exactly like they played with Pippo, not like a team, but 3 separate entities with the 2 attackers attacking alone, the 4 defenders defending alone and the 3/4 mids running around aimlessly. Even De Jong was failing at dropping back and covering the defence, but again, that is not something he should be doing alone, the 2 side mids should be helping him as well and we should be defending as a unit, not as individuals. We have another game (against Empoli) then we go into the international break and then we have Inter if I'm not mistaken. anymore lost points in these next 2 games and I think it would be time to panic and I don't think this is an overreaction at all. Juve and Roma have lost points. But all our direct competitors for 3rd; meaning Napoli, Fiorentina and Inter have all won. So we've already lost ground and it's only week 1
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Aug 24 2015, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2015, 12:16 AM) But you lack still one point. You see, it's not just about the right players. I've seen Bonaventura and Bertolacci play some very good football, but rarely it's with Milan. And you cannot say that Atalanta or Genoa had the needed creativity to excel and actually make them look better.
Take it this way. By your definition all mid-range Serie A teams like Sassuolo, Atalanta, Genoa, Samp, etc. should play like Milan plays because they lack the right players. But somehow, Milan played worse i.e. - they don't play that bad. It's a combination of things, not the right players and not the right attitude. Yes, you've seen Bonaventura and Bertolacci play great for Atalanta and Genoa, but that's the thing. They're Atalanta and Genoa. It's different playing for average, mid-table teams and different playing for a club like Milan, where the expectations are much, much higher. Some players might perform well enough for mid-table teams (Gilardino, Di Natale, Diamanti, Cerci etc.) but they will never excel at important clubs. Which brings me to my previous point, i.e. the right players. You need players who posses superior quality as well as the right mentality. You don't see Madrid going after Bertolacci, they go after Kroos. You don't see Bayern go after Soriano, they go after Götze. And so on. And when these clubs do indeed sign players from mid-table teams, it's always players who posses talent that is more than evident. PSG signed Pastore because he was truly remarkable with Palermo, not just good. Same with United and Rooney, Barça and Alexis etc. The only way for players like Bertolacci, Bonaventura, Soriano etc. to succeed at big clubs is when they're already joining a well-oiled, functioning mechanism, which makes it easier for them to fit in. But for a club like Milan, who has 1001 problems, to expect them to change things, it's not only wishful thinking, but it's truly idiotic. If we had gone after Witsel and Gündogan instead, we'd be talking differently. That's why I mentioned the right players, with the right skills, the right attitude and the right mentality. They can help you attain the leap in quality, not the Bertolacci's and Soriano's of this world.
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