[LaPalma]

This list is surely sh!t....

[Tennie]

I wouldn't put Lothar ahead of him, but I have a grudge against Lothar for kicking Allan Simonsen in the head during a Germany-Denmark game. Lothar was a hell of a good player though.

[misha]

Bergkamp, Van Basten, Buffon, Del Piero, Henry, Thuram, Nesta, Maldini, Kahn, Figo, Zidane, Mattheus, Ronaldinho, Ayala and Kaka for a start.

Based on what? How many Pele matches have you seen? All comparisons between player from different eras is BS.

[Rossoneri7]

Based on what? How many Pele matches have you seen? All comparisons between player from different eras is BS.

Not necessarily ... I mean, Maradona faced much tougher defenses than Ronaldo (@inter) or Kaka' in Serie A .... And each one of them played at their peak in different eras ...

I am not that much of a fan of Pele, and never like the hyped up players ... But what Pele introduced to the world of football shouldn't go unnoticed. We didn't live during that time ... Asl your dad (or anyone who lived that time, and followed football) ... Pele was all the Ronaldinhos and Kakas put together.

No you can not compare players from different eras, but you can not discard what they gave to this game at their time (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) As Pele was a phenomeno .. There was no other like him years after he retired ... I know for a fact that my dad followed football because of Pele! Even though I am not a HUGE fan, and prefer Zidane and Maradona to him, he remains a reference point in football history, this no one can deny .. And the reasons are clear.

[misha]

Not necessarily ... I mean, Maradona faced much tougher defenses than Ronaldo (@inter) or Kaka' in Serie A .... And each one of them played at their peak in different eras ...

I am not that much of a fan of Pele, and never like the hyped up players ... But what Pele introduced to the world of football shouldn't go unnoticed. We didn't live during that time ... Asl your dad (or anyone who lived that time, and followed football) ... Pele was all the Ronaldinhos and Kakas put together.

No you can not compare players from different eras, but you can not discard what they gave to this game at their time (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) As Pele was a phenomeno .. There was no other like him years after he retired ... I know for a fact that my dad followed football because of Pele! Even though I am not a HUGE fan, and prefer Zidane and Maradona to him, he remains a reference point in football history, this no one can deny .. And the reasons are clear.

I'm not saying Pele was better or worse than Maradona or somebody else. I don't know and none else knows. The game changed so much in all aspects and you can't estimate what player like Pele could have done noe or what a player like Kaka could have done then. Of course all of the left a mark and these who were first always will be hyped more, but many of them we haven't watched in full game even once.

[bigmacmtl]

Why? Because he scored a lot?

yeah, besides romario no one even comes close to his golascoring record. the guy has nearly 1400 goals...

@kurt ur right just cuz everyone believes something doesnt make ittrue but wouldnt all these people believe it for a reason? you dont accidentally have millions of people beliing something for no reason.

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Nov 12 2007, 03:09 AM

[bigmacmtl]

Bergkamp, Van Basten, Buffon, Del Piero, Henry, Thuram, Nesta, Maldini, Kahn, Figo, Zidane, Mattheus, Ronaldinho, Ayala and Kaka for a start.

are you insane? i'm not even a fan of pele but you gotta give credit where credit is due. the kinda stats that he has, they dont lie. maybe 1-2 players could be argued as better than pele but the ones you mentioned besides zidane dont even come close. you obviously just dont liek him.

ps ayala? is this a joke, theres over 30 defenders i can name that are better than him.

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Nov 12 2007, 03:13 AM

[kurtsimonw]

are you insane? i'm not even a fan of pele but you gotta give credit where credit is due. the kinda stats that he has, they dont lie. maybe 1-2 players could be argued as better than pele but the ones you mentioned besides zidane dont even come close. you obviously just dont liek him.

I dislike Pele for a reason - That is (in my opinion) the undeserving hype he gets as 'the best player ever'. I've said that I rate Diego as one of the top 5 ever, and I hate the guy with passion.

His numbers aren't that amazing. His games:goals ratio while in the US was hardly special and I think you'd find players like batistuta, Ronaldo, etc. would have fantastic records in South American football - They decided to move on to bigger things in Europe though.

[bigmacmtl]

I dislike Pele for a reason - That is (in my opinion) the undeserving hype he gets as 'the best player ever'. I've said that I rate Diego as one of the top 5 ever, and I hate the guy with passion.

His numbers aren't that amazing. His games:goals ratio while in the US was hardly special and I think you'd find players like batistuta, Ronaldo, etc. would have fantastic records in South American football - They decided to move on to bigger things in Europe though.

maybe cuz he was at the end of his career? the guy won 3 world cups (and his he was great teams, but he was always the main catalist). 77g in 92 app for brazil.. thats amazing and the guy was a forward, he dint just score. he created lots of chances for his teammates.

[Tennie]

I don't like numerical lists - ie, number 1, number 2, number 3. This list is crap anyway.

I'd be much more comfortable with a 'top ten' list of players in alpha order rather than rank. And, for the record, I would include Pele in that sort of list.

[kurtsimonw]

maybe cuz he was at the end of his career? the guy won 3 world cups (and his he was great teams, but he was always the main catalist). 77g in 92 app for brazil.. thats amazing and the guy was a forward, he dint just score. he created lots of chances for his teammates.

He played in the 60s/70s. They had ridiculous scores back then because football was only really played in a few countries, 99% of the World hadn't really hadproper traning, that's why they used to get owned 12 and 13-0 all the time, it just doesnt happen nowadays.

Gerd Muller played around the same era, his international and club records were as good AND he played in the German league, which has always been one of the toughest.

As Tennie said, stats don't mean everything.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Nov 12 2007, 03:35 AM

[bigmacmtl]

He played in the 60s/70s. They had ridiculous scores back then because football was only really played in a few countries, 99% of the World hadn't really hadproper traning, that's why they used to get owned 12 and 13-0 all the time, it just doesnt happen nowadays.

Gerd Muller played around the same era, his international and club records were as good AND he played in the German league, which has always been one of the toughest.

As Tennie said, stats don't mean everything.

and gerd muller played same international teams during the same period? stats dont count for everything, but when their as overwhelming as his, i mean no one even comes close. i'm not saying he is the best, cuz i think maradonna is but when people do think he is it's not for no reason.

[Locke Lamora]

are you insane? i'm not even a fan of pele but you gotta give credit where credit is due. the kinda stats that he has, they dont lie. maybe 1-2 players could be argued as better than pele but the ones you mentioned besides zidane dont even come close. you obviously just dont liek him.

ps ayala? is this a joke, theres over 30 defenders i can name that are better than him.

I'm not saying Pele was a bad player. Far from it.
But seriously:He played most of his career in the America's, where defeces are practically jokes.
About me don't liking Pele is partly true.
He knows that he is regarded as the greatest of all time, and he keeps reminding the rest of the world whenever he have the chance.

As for Ayala...he has been the key in Valencia for the last seven years, look what's happening to Valencia now, eh?

[Rossoneri7]

I'm not saying Pele was better or worse than Maradona or somebody else. I don't know and none else knows. The game changed so much in all aspects and you can't estimate what player like Pele could have done noe or what a player like Kaka could have done then. Of course all of the left a mark and these who were first always will be hyped more, but many of them we haven't watched in full game even once.

Yep the game changed so much ... And no, I have yet to watch a full game for Pele, but then again why would I since I am not that fond of him .... But fact still remains, for those who witnessed Pele turn the world's head towards football, was because of his mastery of the ball ... Before Pele, there was NO ONE who did tricks, such as the gambeta etc etc .. That is all I am saying; he basically introduced this type of play to the world. And for that he had earned his status.

But I do agree you can't compare players from different eras ... Though, at least for me, Maradona is the exception (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)