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post Sep 28 2010, 09:54 PM
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Han's 'perfect' line up IS perfect.
Only flaw, frickin R80 only plays 4-3-3

That's why I said depending on R80 is like slow cancer.
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:55 PM
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 28 2010, 08:52 PM) *
I like how you list reigning French Champions as if they're 'easy', then say Auxerre, who haven't won this season as 'no push over'. Unless we lose at home to Ajax, I can't see us going out now.

That's Chelsea's group, it's easy compared to us because Marseille are the ONLY challenge, and while Auxerre are still not a top French team, they're tricky they held both us and Madrid so it's still no walkover game like the other pot 4 teams that were available (case in point Zilina)
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:58 PM
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the reason why Auxerre is a hard team to play against,
is because they only want to defend.

And Milan is famously known to fail to open up spaces in such situations.
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (agenth @ Sep 28 2010, 08:54 PM) *
Han's 'perfect' line up IS perfect.
Only flaw, frickin R80 only plays 4-3-3

That's why I said depending on R80 is like slow cancer.

Ronaldinho doesn't only play in the 4-3-3, it's the coach who's bottled him into playing that position, if he can move Seedorf who is a natural CM to the AM spot then I'm sure as hell Dinho can play it. It's where he played at PSG IIRC and sometimes for Brazil as well.

Also, he can move Abate o all people at a crucial position like RB, Bonera there as well, Seedorf at AM, etc etc, but an intelligent player like Ronaldinho can't play the AM position? Please (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Allegri for some reason does not want to play him there, he said so himself that he would only switch to 4-3-3 if Seedorf is playing instead of Dinho, which is BS
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (agenth @ Sep 28 2010, 09:54 PM) *
That's why I said depending on R80 is like slow cancer.

Depending on anyone is a very bad thing.
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 28 2010, 08:52 PM) *
Yah but what are you going to do if ronaldinho refuses to play that role?

Ronaldinho will not refuse to play that role (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) He's not playing now for a reason, and he knows he's not playing well himself, that reason being the fact that he's constantly constricted to the left wing.

He played the 4-3-1-2 under Leo and played it before with Brazil as well, he can play that position and he won't refuse it, he knows he needs something to get back into form quick. And a change of position will do him good.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 28 2010, 08:59 PM) *
Depending on anyone is a very bad thing.

We're starting to depend on Ibra a lot to my liking. Every goal we've scored in the last 2 weeks has been through him, and most of them were down to him and him alone, not team moves. Very worrying
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:11 PM
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Another draw? Jesus. And judging by what I've read on here during the course of the season so far, we're missing a lot of easy shots as well.
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (MizNelson @ Sep 28 2010, 09:11 PM) *
Another draw? Jesus. And judging by what I've read on here during the course of the season so far, we're missing a lot of easy shots as well.

Robinho missed a sitter then Stekelenburg made a miracle save in the last few minutes.

It wasn't like we were raining shots on their goal or anything like that, imo they looked a lot more dangerous when they were attacking then we did
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:17 PM
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Seedorf: 'We can't rely on Ibra'

Clarence Seedorf explains Milan’s latest tactical switch and warns against relying on Zlatan Ibrahimovic. “We don’t want to end up like Inter.”

Seedorf set up the goal for Ibra in the 1-1 draw away to Ajax this evening, a club where both of them used to play.

“At this moment we are still under construction. I am trying to keep everyone calm, as we need to focus and do everything in a solid fashion. As we saw again tonight, nobody will gift us anything.”

Ronaldinho was dropped to the bench for what seemed to be a 4-3-2-1 system, but Seedorf explains it was actually a 4-4-2.

“You can have a 4-4-2 in a diamond midfield, 4-3-3, whatever, the fact remains you have to take advantage of the spaces that open up in front of you.

“Milan have always played with this system over the last six years. In pre-season we had a few like this under Massimiliano Allegri, he knows he has a team that can play this system and tried to change.

“In general I didn’t like our style, as we play too many long balls and mustn’t make the mistake of thinking Ibra can resolve everything. Otherwise we’ll end up like Inter, especially in the Champions League.”

Real Madrid won 1-0 at Auxerre with a late goal, so they now lead the group on six points to Milan’s four.

“I think the draw is the right result. Maybe not in terms of scoring opportunities, but we didn’t control the tempo the way we usually do.

“There was some tiredness too, but all in all a draw away to Ajax in the CL is a good thing. We know that we must do better.”

It was a special moment for Seedorf, who was given a very warm welcome by the Amsterdam Arena.

“It was wonderful to come back here where it all started. The fans had a banner that read: ‘Clarence, you’re always a hero.’ It was a lovely moment and I’m so glad the club still remembers me with such affection.”
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:52 PM
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post Sep 28 2010, 11:04 PM
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Thumbs up for Thiago, Rino and Seedorf, they were immense tonight. Thumbs down for Robinho. He started pretty good but that childish error screwed up his performance. And Ibra keeps scoring!

Shame about the result, it was a match we could and should have won. The fact Real won makes it even worse. Still, it's a result I could live with. Ajax played better than I expected.
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post Sep 28 2010, 11:07 PM
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I dont kno what shpuld a player di more worst than robinho today to get changed and ronaldinho was there warming up all the secon half ani he didnt step on the pitch and the game withput him is very poor no real chances no corner kikks no asissts no creativity,
I think that alegri is noteven as good as leonardo he makes stupid changes that dont even efect tha game he puts prince out of his position I dont kno people but im disapointed in him i think he is lost he has no good reasoning any more.
amd I think that we would be much stronger if pirlo doesent play, I remember last year he didnt play aroond 11 matches and we won 10 e drew 1 and when he came back we started loosing and flamini played instead of him
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post Sep 28 2010, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (Lumeci @ Sep 29 2010, 12:07 AM) *
I dont kno what shpuld a player di more worst than robinho today to get changed and ronaldinho was there warming up all the secon half ani he didnt step on the pitch and the game withput him is very poor no real chances no corner kikks no asissts no creativity,
I think that alegri is noteven as good as leonardo he makes stupid changes that dont even efect tha game he puts prince out of his position I dont kno people but im disapointed in him i think he is lost he has no good reasoning any more.
amd I think that we would be much stronger if pirlo doesent play, I remember last year he didnt play aroond 11 matches and we won 10 e drew 1 and when he came back we started loosing and flamini played instead of him


Actually, this was the first game (aside Lecce) I agreed with Allegri's tactics. He put in the right line-up and made his subs at the right moment. Keeping Ronaldinho on the bench was a smart move. We played a disciplined game. Midfield was constantly moving, which is a novelty considering our latest performances. Ajax were tremendous up forward, and apart from that lapse by Nesta, our defense closed them down tight. The only negative aspect of tonight was the result, we should have won. Nevertheless, if we continue along this line we'll be on the right track.
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