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Fillipo Simone
post Nov 24 2014, 07:10 PM
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MoM goes to Rami IMO. Very good showing, if this wasn't just a happy coincidence, we should think of combining him and Abate as our main fullbacks. IMO Mexes and MDS were good as well, Lopez especially. Zapata made a slightly less convincing appearance.

Flop was between Muntari and SES for obvious reasons. Han compared Stephans miss with Icardi's, but it wasn't quite the same. Still, my pick is Muntari.
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post Nov 27 2014, 05:22 PM
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I disagree. I don't think Han showed any signs of delusion. Having faith in Pato, Balo or SES firstly isn't the same and secondly isn't delusional on a general level.

Balotelli and Pato all had talent - this was indisputable. They showed they are great individuals, they can make the extra goal and pull out the team with their individual strength. Both had mental problems alla Adriano and turned out badly (even thought there is still time to turn this around) - but never was this faith in them misplaced, at least IMO. The talent was there, the potential, no real limitation: just mental issues and (in Pato's case) injuries that made their boom impossible. But putting faith in such players is by no means deluded or extra optimistic. It's a viable as saying "he sucks" just so you can shout "I told you so" later.

SES? He needs to prove himself. Surely. But it's delusional to whine about him of call him names at this point as well. The guy never had a real coach with Milan at the first place, nor did he encounter any help - like Ancelotti provided help to Pirlo in the crucial moment. He also faced a horrendous injury spell and only came out of it this season. The question is, what do we expect out of him? Do we really play to his strengths and build on him?
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post Nov 27 2014, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 27 2014, 10:22 PM) *
The question is, what do we expect out of him?

Effort. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And nothing but.
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 27 2014, 07:28 PM) *
Effort. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And nothing but.

Really? But what does that mean actually? You think SES is a lazy kid who's not showing effort. How can we translate "effort" into something more concrete?

Also, who's now to blame? Pippo who failed motivating the players or the individuals who don't show enough effort?
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- Fillipo Simone   Serie A - Week 12 - AC Milan vs. Internazionale FC   Nov 24 2014, 07:10 PM
- - Danny   Rami and Torres.   Nov 24 2014, 09:07 PM
- - X-Offender   Rami and Muntari, closely followed by Torres.   Nov 24 2014, 09:18 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 24 2014, 11...   Nov 25 2014, 05:20 AM
- - William405   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 24 2014, 09:1...   Nov 25 2014, 05:24 AM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 25 2014, 07:24 AM...   Nov 25 2014, 12:24 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 25 2014, 02:2...   Nov 25 2014, 06:26 PM
- - X-Offender   We would have won the derby if SES hadn't miss...   Nov 25 2014, 12:15 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2014, 12...   Nov 25 2014, 03:29 PM
- - acid911   We could have won if the sucker had the sense to p...   Nov 25 2014, 04:13 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2014, 05:29 PM) P...   Nov 25 2014, 04:57 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 25 2014, 09:5...   Nov 25 2014, 05:06 PM
- - acid911   Still, that's not to say that I'm discount...   Nov 25 2014, 05:14 PM
- - acid911   By the way, I'll vote while I'm here. And...   Nov 25 2014, 05:19 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 25 2014, 07:19 PM) B...   Nov 25 2014, 06:24 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 25 2014, 11:24 PM...   Nov 25 2014, 06:30 PM
||- - William405   QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 25 2014, 08:30 PM) A...   Nov 25 2014, 09:01 PM
||- - acid911   QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 26 2014, 02:01 AM...   Nov 25 2014, 09:34 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 25 2014, 05:24 PM...   Nov 26 2014, 12:23 AM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 26 2014, 05:23 AM) Aci...   Nov 26 2014, 12:41 AM
- - acid911   Our midfield, I meant to say.   Nov 25 2014, 06:31 PM
- - kurtsimonw   If SES was an Inter player, we'd be talking ab...   Nov 25 2014, 06:54 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 25 2014, 11:54 PM...   Nov 25 2014, 07:06 PM
- - Danny   PS he's spot on about SES. Talk about losing p...   Nov 26 2014, 12:25 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 25 2014, 04:5...   Nov 26 2014, 09:19 AM
- - Danny   Icardi hasn't been a joke for well over 3 and ...   Nov 26 2014, 12:54 PM
- - X-Offender   As much as I can't stand him, Icardi has score...   Nov 26 2014, 03:29 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2014, 03...   Nov 26 2014, 05:16 PM
- - X-Offender   I don't think Kurt's comment was in relati...   Nov 26 2014, 06:37 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2014, 06...   Nov 26 2014, 06:39 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 26 2014, 06:39 PM) I...   Nov 26 2014, 06:43 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2014, 06...   Nov 26 2014, 09:28 PM
- - X-Offender   You said "SES had a fairly solid showing if n...   Nov 26 2014, 10:20 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2014, 10...   Nov 27 2014, 01:37 PM
- - X-Offender   He always works hard in every game, it's not l...   Nov 27 2014, 01:55 PM
- - Danny   Seems that everyone on here bar Han sees SES for w...   Nov 27 2014, 04:09 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 27 2014, 04:09 PM) See...   Nov 27 2014, 04:22 PM
- - X-Offender   I think you're just being desperate, Han. We l...   Nov 27 2014, 05:05 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 27 2014, 05:28 PM) E...   Nov 27 2014, 05:48 PM
||- - acid911   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 27 2014, 10:48 PM) S...   Nov 27 2014, 06:19 PM
- - kurtsimonw   SES has, generally, been very poor for 2 years now...   Nov 27 2014, 06:08 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 27 2014, 11:08 PM...   Nov 27 2014, 06:22 PM
- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 27 2014, 05:2...   Nov 27 2014, 06:47 PM
- - Danny   This has turned into an excellent debate. The Pat...   Nov 28 2014, 03:02 AM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 28 2014, 08:02 AM) And...   Nov 28 2014, 04:30 AM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 28 2014, 03:02 AM) As ...   Nov 28 2014, 08:08 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 28 2014, 07:08 PM) P...   Nov 28 2014, 11:26 PM
- - Danny   I'm not kidding myself. He's never been he...   Nov 28 2014, 11:24 PM
- - acid911   Well, at least a match poll thread went past 50 po...   Nov 29 2014, 12:21 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 28 2014, 11:24 PM) I...   Nov 29 2014, 10:29 AM
- - Danny   People were willing to take £10M including me as ...   Nov 29 2014, 04:08 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 29 2014, 04:08 PM) Peo...   Nov 29 2014, 05:16 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 29 2014, 04:16 PM) N...   Nov 30 2014, 02:49 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 30 2014, 02:49 AM) Won...   Nov 30 2014, 10:06 AM
- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 27 2014, 08:08 PM...   Nov 30 2014, 11:43 PM


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