[Rossoneri7]

@kurt ... All I am saying is, u cant bring a team as big as United and say 'this is their achievement, the Carling cup..' to a team like Milan.


It is good for local competition to give the other teams a chance, yes .. But the BIG teams in England should go for something rather bigger than the FA/Carling cup; no offense to those small clubs .. But it isn't a top tier championship (if u get what I mean .. I'm sure u do .. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) ..


@LaPalma .. I assume, u read what I wrote to kurt (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ...

Don't think I am naive and overlook certain things just cuz I'm stubborn .. Yes, the team looks shaky when considering injuries to key players and there is not enough depth. And as a fan, I would love for Milan to sign several players 'X,Y,Z' ..

But when I think about what this team did last season ... I mean TBH, I don't think there is any team that can do what this Milan team did under such tough occasions. This makes the choices to replace our European champions very difficult. I mean, believe it or not, Broochi and Ambrosini really are (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) They have as much right to be a part of the success as Nesta or Oddo ..

The age issue is definitely a problem .. Still experience has shown on several occasions to be the true force within Milan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

But in time, things will change, Berlusconi has the club at heart (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) He is the reason behind Milan's success (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

@kurt ... All I am saying is, u cant bring a team as big as United and say 'this is their achievement, the Carling cup..' to a team like Milan.
It is good for local competition to give the other teams a chance, yes .. But the BIG teams in England should go for something rather bigger than the FA/Carling cup; no offense to those small clubs .. But it isn't a top tier championship (if u get what I mean .. I'm sure u do .. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) ..
@LaPalma .. I assume, u read what I wrote to kurt (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ...

Don't think I am naive and overlook certain things just cuz I'm stubborn .. Yes, the team looks shaky when considering injuries to key players and there is not enough depth. And as a fan, I would love for Milan to sign several players 'X,Y,Z' ..

But when I think about what this team did last season ... I mean TBH, I don't think there is any team that can do what this Milan team did under such tough occasions. This makes the choices to replace our European champions very difficult. I mean, believe it or not, Broochi and Ambrosini really are (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) They have as much right to be a part of the success as Nesta or Oddo ..

The age issue is definitely a problem .. Still experience has shown on several occasions to be the true force within Milan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

But in time, things will change, Berlusconi has the club at heart (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) He is the reason behind Milan's success (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

brocchi was **** and will always be ****. he came on to replace gattuso and handed man u the momemtum and allowed them in the game which resulted in 2 goals and he 50% at fault for the 3rd.

[kurtsimonw]

The League Cup may not be the most prestigious thing in the World. But the FA Cup?

It has over double the history of the European Cup, and way more history than the World Cup, it's existed longer than League football. There's no way any team in England will overlook it, teams like Liverpool even sacrifice league title chances to win it. It's huge.

People outside of England have no idea how big the FA Cup is. The 3rd round draw (When all the EPL and Championship teams enter) Was one of the most viewed things on television last year. Not even a game, just the draw. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 14 2007, 03:08 AM

[Rossoneri7]

No, I have a very clear idea about it ... But my point is to the contrary .. Leaving aside it's importance and history within England, it is a local cup. In general, this is what I meant ..

[Milan Are Brilli...]

No, I have a very clear idea about it ... But my point is to the contrary .. Leaving aside it's importance and history within England, it is a local cup. In general, this is what I meant ..

It's not just a local cup though, it's nothing like Italy's cup who no one seems to care that much about!

The League Cup is the local Cup the FA Cup is the national one, it is huge, so much history etc. Only in recent years have the English clubs been a real force in Europe again, yes I know United won it in 99 but we seemed to have a real dry patch and it almost seemed like the impossible dream, now it's far from it.

The FA Cup is extremelly big though, I don't mean to be the typical English but this national cup, there is nothing like it around the world...

[Jack Sparrow]

there is nothing like it around the world...

Haha....it's called the Durand Cup. Gooooo Viva Kerala!!!!

[Zed.D]

To a foreigner? Yes. To me? The FA Cup is the most prestigious trophy in the football World, by a long distance. As a player, I'd have that over the Champions League any day.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It existed long before the Champions League, or any none-English club for that matter.

(IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/175.gif) O my god! You mean being the oldest competition makes the FA Cup also the most prestigious?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well, if there were 200 countries, people of 199 of them would think otherwise! CL is definitely the greatest and most prestigious competition after the World Cup. no question about that.

[dst]

To me? The FA Cup is the most prestigious trophy in the football World, by a long distance.

By a long distance? I think you're exaggerating there... does that mean that the Blackburn Rovers (6 FA Cup wins) are a more prestigious club than Milan (7 CL wins)!?!? I don't think so... of course I can feel the importance of the FA Cup but to say it "is the most prestigious trophy in the football world" is an overstatement in my opinion... especially when only a small part of the football world can participate in it!

This post has been edited by dst: Aug 14 2007, 03:47 PM

[Tennie]

Not to unnecessarily dredge up a tragedy, but I wonder if the stress that is placed on the FA Cup has any connection with the fact that English teams were banned from European competition for five years.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Not to unnecessarily dredge up a tragedy, but I wonder if the stress that is placed on the FA Cup has any connection with the fact that English teams were banned from European competition for five years.

Nope, they can't be excused, especially for that, English fans are extremelly dangerous unfortunately, that will give you a piece of what it's like to live here for people like Kurt and myself (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I think Kurt meant and I certainly meant it's the biggest 'national' trophy in the world, I don't know of any other national cup that seems to be played out with so much importance as the FA Cup...

[Zed.D]

By a long distance? I think you're exaggerating there... does that mean that the Blackburn Rovers (6 FA Cup wins) are a more prestigious club than Milan (7 CL wins)!?!? I don't think so... of course I can feel the importance of the FA Cup but to say it "is the most prestigious trophy in the football world" is an overstatement in my opinion... especially when only a small part of the football world can participate in it!

A very good point there (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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FA may be England's most prestigious competition, but how can we call it "the most prestigious in the whole world" when only English teams can take part in it?!!!

[Milan Are Brilli...]

FA may be England's most prestigious competition, but how can we call it "the most prestigious in the whole world" when only English teams can take part in it?!!!

Same point with the Champions League (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) How can it be called the best in the world when only European teams can take part in it?!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Anyway as I said above I think he's talking about national cups.

[dst]

Nope, they can't be excused, especially for that, English fans are extremelly dangerous unfortunately, that will give you a piece of what it's like to live here for people like Kurt and myself  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

They hunt you down for supporting a foreign club!??? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I think Kurt meant and I certainly meant it's the biggest 'national' trophy in the world...

I agree with that.

[kurtsimonw]

(IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/175.gif) O my god! You mean being the oldest competition makes the FA Cup also the most prestigious?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well, if there were 200 countries, people of 199 of them would think otherwise! CL is definitely the greatest and most prestigious competition after the World Cup. no question about that.

More than likely. But I'd rather Villa win the FA Cup than England win the World Cup.

Not to unnecessarily dredge up a tragedy, but I wonder if the stress that is placed on the FA Cup has any connection with the fact that English teams were banned from European competition for five years.

That may well be the case for other people. I was only about a year old when that happened, so it has no bearing for me. It's been big since alot further back than the late 80s as far as I know.

Same point with the Champions League  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)   How can it be called the best in the world when only European teams can take part in it?!!!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I think the European Cup was a great Cup, probably bigger than the FA Cup. But the Champions League? It doesn't even make sense. How is a team that finishes 4th be a Champion? Surely it should just be the league winners that enter, like the old European Cup.

Nope, they can't be excused, especially for that, English fans are extremelly dangerous unfortunately, that will give you a piece of what it's like to live here for people like Kurt and myself 


I think Kurt meant and I certainly meant it's the biggest 'national' trophy in the world, I don't know of any other national cup that seems to be played out with so much importance as the FA Cup...

They're not that bad.. Only when the football's on. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well put it this way. A few thousand teams care about the FA Cup. And what, about 50 care about the Champions League? And even 4 of those that enter the Champions League still keep an eye on the FA Cup. The Champions League to me lost 99% of it's greatness when they decided to let the whole league enter it. If it was the winners of the domestic Cup and the League, fair enough. But why do 2nd, 3rd and 4th get to enter? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 14 2007, 07:20 PM

[KillerMax]

The Champions League to me lost 99% of it's greatness when they decided to let the whole league enter it. If it was the winners of the domestic Cup and the League, fair enough. But why do 2nd, 3rd and 4th get to enter?  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

To give smaller teams a fighting chance? To make a balance between rich clubs and ones with a exciting future? Like Palermo, Fiorentina, Tottenham, Villareal, Sevilla, Zaragoza and so on...