[kurtsimonw]

I am in agreement of the assessment Milan are hyping the bejesus out of Pato as if he's the LeBron James of world football.

Agreed. Pato is most definetly not a one-man team. I don't want to see him in a Milan shirt until he's 20. If he is playing games before then, it shows how little we have up front.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 8 2007, 07:11 AM

[Zed.D]

Agreed. Pato is most definetly not a one-man team. I don't want to see him in a Milan shirt until he's 20. If he is playing games before then, it shows how little we have up front.

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You will regret these words very sooner than that my friend...

I don't think we lack anything up front. Ronaldo/Gilardino/Inzaghi/Willy/Pato and in emergencies Kaka.

Adding Cassano to that list wouldn't be a bad idea though.

[mkenya]

IMO guys are just complaining and being emotional. Last season who thought we could win the CL and finish top 4 in Serie A????

PATO is definitely a good signing and until we see how he adapts, we cannot pass any judgements. We all thought Oliveira would be brilliant, the same for Gila and we all complained that R99 was fat and bogus. What happened???

Young players should be exposed in order to build their confidence. Someone like Gorcuff is brilliant but the confidence still lacks coz exposure is minimal. This season the management said they'll give him more time and if that happens i'm sure we'll experience his quality.

Pato might be young in terms of age but he's a matured player in terms of soccer. He gave Puyol a difficult time last season in the Club championship. He's also physically strong and I hope he gets more time to prove his worth.

The main problem we are having is in defence where age has really caught up with our players. They can't run for full 90 mins!

[Zed.D]

IMO guys are just complaining and being emotional.  Last season who thought we could win the CL and finish top 4 in Serie A????

PATO is definitely a good signing and until we see how he adapts, we cannot pass any judgements.  We all thought Oliveira would be brilliant, the same for Gila and we all complained that R99 was fat and bogus.  What happened???

Young players should be exposed in order to build their confidence.  Someone like Gorcuff is brilliant but the confidence still lacks coz exposure is minimal.  This season the management said they'll give him more time and if that happens i'm sure we'll experience his quality.

Pato might be young in terms of age but he's a matured player in terms of soccer.  He gave Puyol a difficult time last season in the Club championship. He's also physically strong and I hope he gets more time to prove his worth.

The main problem we are having is in defence where age has really caught up with our players.  They can't run for full 90 mins!

A very nice post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[LaPalma]

I dunno Max. As I heard, the primary reason, why we dumped Cassano(besides the Real spat) was coz Carlo said, he wanted to give Yoann more space on the field. And Seedorf is really good as a trquartista.

FWIW I think our first team and our first line of subs are really good. On paper our subs are not heavy weights but they know their job, they've been doing it for a long time and they can do it well.  The ONLY way the sh!t would hit the fan would be to have a 'atypical' injury ravaged season. You know the sort. 2 frontline strikers injured,2 frontline defenders injured, 2 midfielders out all AT the same time.

Nope we've spent more cash than any other club on medical and training facilities. I don't see this happening.

FWIW? What's that supposed to mean (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ?
IMO our subs, besides in the attack are cr@p. Brocchi is a joke....that ManU managed to win against us in Old Trafford was his fault. Favalli is nothing special, Kaladze will be playing in the first 11 next year, and we all know that Simic has his moments but not more. Bonera is a misscalculation IMO, he's not very talented and already 26...we can't expect much more from him IMO. Gourcuff is a promising player but he can't compete with Seedorf when the Dutch plays like in the end of last season.

[Rossoneri7]

@LaPalma .. We do have these average players, yes, but don't forget these players are the European champions (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Bonera, Broochi, Simic etc etc .. These are our second string players ... They play with heart for Milan .. More than any other bench player at inter or anywhere else.

It is natural that we (as fans) want the best for our team .. And we would not expect anything, but a strong bench to aid an already strong first XI ..

Leaving all this speculation aside, about how the team will cope with the new season .. Milan have a very VERY strong team ! Our midfield (IMO) is the best in Europe, the defense (well Nesta and Maldini (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) is renowned worldwide for it's strength, we have the best goalkeeper in the world ! And we have Ronaldo leading our attack ... With that said, we have reliable subs that can take the field at anytime and under any condition, and still present a Milan standard performance.

p.s. Don't want to go into the speculation of if this or that happens we will loose (.. or whichever speculation u would like to examine..) cuz no one imagined Milan would reach a 4th place finish and take home the CL after looking at our performance in the first half of the season. In fact, this very team has been bred to win.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

IMO guys are just complaining and being emotional.  Last season who thought we could win the CL and finish top 4 in Serie A????

PATO is definitely a good signing and until we see how he adapts, we cannot pass any judgements.  We all thought Oliveira would be brilliant, the same for Gila and we all complained that R99 was fat and bogus.  What happened???

Not win the CL but yeah with an 8 point deduction I would have still expected us to be in the top 4 when other teams have been deducted more and Juve relegated...

We all thought Oliveira would be brilliant! Haha yeah right, there were loads myself included last season that were very skepticul about him, we ended up believing some of the people on here that he was any good, what a mistake... Gilar's still nearly got a goal every other game ratio in the league so it isn't exactly the worst, it's just that it seems he can't do it in the CL, at least for the moment.

[LaPalma]

@LaPalma .. We do have these average players, yes, but don't forget these players are the European champions (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Bonera, Broochi, Simic etc etc .. These are our second string players ... They play with heart for Milan .. More than any other bench player at inter or anywhere else.

It is natural that we (as fans) want the best for our team .. And we would not expect anything, but a strong bench to aid an already strong first XI ..

Leaving all this speculation aside, about how the team will cope with the new season .. Milan have a very VERY strong team ! Our midfield (IMO) is the best in Europe, the defense (well Nesta and Maldini (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) is renowned worldwide for it's strength, we have the best goalkeeper in the world ! And we have Ronaldo leading our attack ... With that said, we have reliable subs that can take the field at anytime and under any condition, and still present a Milan standard performance.

p.s. Don't want to go into the speculation of if this or that happens we will loose (.. or whichever speculation u would like to examine..) cuz no one imagined Milan would reach a 4th place finish and take home the CL after looking at our performance in the first half of the season. In fact, this very team has been bred to win.

These avergae players are only European champions on the paper. I don't want to say anything bad about them as you're right: They play with a lot of heart for Milan, but the "true" european champions are Seedorf, Pippo, Pirlo....and above all Kaká.
We have a very strong team...I agree. But Dida the best goalie in the world? Come on...you're heavily heavily biased. You have to agree that at least Gigi is better than Dida. The Brazilian is a very good keeper, but IMO his class is declining year by year.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want stars like Diego and others on our bench. That'd be nuts. But how about a player like Maresca? And how about some promising young players? We really need a good CB as Maldini won't play too many matches next year I believe.
And I'm not saying we can't win anything next season. Last summer I was one of the few people thinking of winning the CL. We can do that again of course...and we can even win the Scudetto, but Inter has much better chances to win the league (as they have more quality players) as other teams have much better chances to win the CL.

[kurtsimonw]

People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best.

Get real! Serie A and The Premier League are much harder to win than the Champions League. Look at the finalists in recent years. Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal, Monaco. No disrespect to any of them, but they're not even the top teams domestically.

Now consider this. Chelsea won both domestic cups, finished in the top 2 the previous 3 years, made 2 Champions League semi Finals - They compete in 4 competitions and still do well. Now look at Milan. We don't even think of the Coppa, we don't compete in Serie A so the CL is the only thing we have left. So yes, we should do well in it. Even Liverpool do well in more than just one competition.

Start looking at things realistically as opposed to thinking Pato is the next coming that will save all our problems, he won't.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best.

Get real! Serie A and The Premier League are much harder to win than the Champions League. Look at the finalists in recent years. Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal, Monaco. No disrespect to any of them, but they're not even the top teams domestically.

Now consider this. Chelsea won both domestic cups, finished in the top 2 the previous 3 years, made 2 Champions League semi Finals - They compete in 4 competitions and still do well. Now look at Milan. We don't even think of the Coppa, we don't compete in Serie A so the CL is the only thing we have left. So yes, we should do well in it. Even Liverpool do well in more than just one competition.

Start looking at things realistically as opposed to thinking Pato is the next coming that will save all our problems, he won't.

Harsh, but fair (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[MizNelson]

We have a very strong team...I agree. But Dida the best goalie in the world? Come on...you're heavily heavily biased. You have to agree that at least Gigi is better than Dida. The Brazilian is a very good keeper, but IMO his class is declining year by year.

I think Rossoneri7 is more of a Dida freak than I am. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best.

Word. We won't achieve anything domestically by recycling last season's lineup. Besides Pato, who was our other big acquisition? Digao? Give me a break.

[KillerMax]

People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best.

Get real! Serie A and The Premier League are much harder to win than the Champions League. Look at the finalists in recent years. Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal, Monaco. No disrespect to any of them, but they're not even the top teams domestically.

Now consider this. Chelsea won both domestic cups, finished in the top 2 the previous 3 years, made 2 Champions League semi Finals - They compete in 4 competitions and still do well. Now look at Milan. We don't even think of the Coppa, we don't compete in Serie A so the CL is the only thing we have left. So yes, we should do well in it. Even Liverpool do well in more than just one competition.

Start looking at things realistically as opposed to thinking Pato is the next coming that will save all our problems, he won't.

Listen to what he just said people! This is the problem with Milan!!!

[bigmacmtl]

People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best.

Get real! Serie A and The Premier League are much harder to win than the Champions League. Look at the finalists in recent years. Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal, Monaco. No disrespect to any of them, but they're not even the top teams domestically.

Now consider this. Chelsea won both domestic cups, finished in the top 2 the previous 3 years, made 2 Champions League semi Finals - They compete in 4 competitions and still do well. Now look at Milan. We don't even think of the Coppa, we don't compete in Serie A so the CL is the only thing we have left. So yes, we should do well in it. Even Liverpool do well in more than just one competition.

Start looking at things realistically as opposed to thinking Pato is the next coming that will save all our problems, he won't.

that sums up everything very nicely, i'm 100% with you on this one.

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Aug 8 2007, 08:31 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

kurt just convinced me. I'm gonna go off and support Fiorentina....till Milan win the double that is. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If Man U could win the league last season,and make it to the semis with the kind of depth they had, Milan with MilanLab is in with a really good chance.

[bigmacmtl]

kurt just convinced me. I'm gonna go off and support Fiorentina....till Milan win the double that is. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If Man U could win the league last season,and make it to the semis with the kind of depth they had, Milan with MilanLab is in with a really good chance.

well man u doesnt have to deal with inter, chelsea dint have much depth at all last year especially in def and cech is a huge piece for that team.