[X-Offender]

Well, I heared today that the board are investing a total of 150M right into Carlo's hands to pick and choose; he will be able to use it during this winter break and next summer. Ofcourse next summer, if he produces anything this season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

150M? Hmmm, that sounds tasty. I really hope the font you heard it from is reliable, cause with 150 millions, I've got a wish list aswell. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[mishie]

Well, I heared today that the board are investing a total of 150M right into Carlo's hands to pick and choose; he will be able to use it during this winter break and next summer. Ofcourse next summer, if he produces anything this season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

were did you hear that??
€150m that's crazy no way would they give anyone that amount to spend (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

were did you hear that??
€150m that's crazy no way would they give anyone that amount to spend (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Heared it from a friend today, the amount is mind boggling, I know .. But nothing amazes me anymore, after Chelsea happened, everything is possible.

I usually don't like to talk about figures, but this gives me hope that there is a plan underway to rebuild this team, to have some face at least ..

Ofcourse, I wont believe anything till I see it, and my hopes aren't that high up, but surely this team needs patching up BIG time, if Milan is to reach it's goals this season.

[han2503]

@ R7's first post: I really don't think Lippi is the man for the job. As I said, I'm not one who wants Carlo to leave because like X-Offender I'm a firm believer that if Carlo where given the right recorces he will win us a lot more then he already has. And don't forget we couldn't do anything about these last 2 scudetti because of the match fixing, even if we had won them they would have bee stripped away.

And Lippi? Where has he had all his success at? JUVE a team that was doped up in the 90's and has been fixing matches ever since Moggi stepped into the frame.
So basing your theory because of his success at Juve isn't such a good idea since we don't know what he won on his own and what he won with 'help'.

If you watched Italy during the WC then you would know what sort of manager he is and how infuriating his decisions and even stupid sometimes, they could be. I mean putting in Iaquinta when you need a goal instead of the inform Pippo who scored a goal even when he was on for juyst 20 minutes. That should say a lot.

And as I said, I'm not someone that wants Carlo to leave, BUT if he does leave then my ONLY choices would be Mourinho or Rijkaard no one else. Maybe Prandelli but I think he's too inexperianced to take over a Milan side that needs a lot of work put into it. No Van Basten and definately no Lippi

@ X-Offender: GREAT post completely agree with you.

Well, I heared today that the board are investing a total of 150M right into Carlo's hands to pick and choose; he will be able to use it during this winter break and next summer. Ofcourse next summer, if he produces anything this season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Well I hope this is true. Cause as I said I'm a firm believer that if Carlo is given the proper tools to work with then he will win us more Trophies

[Rossoneri7]

@han ..

If Carlo doesn't win us anything by next summer .. Then, it's time for him to step down. This is AC Milan not AS Roma !

Lippi, I mentioned him, because apart from his achievments w/ Juve, he kept Napoli in contention after Maradonna left and with the financial difficulties of the club .. I remember it clearly that season .. He blew life into them after Mardonna left.

The WC06 ... !!!!! I cant believe u wouldnt give him credit for it !!! Iquinta ?? Pippo ?? The man is a master mind !!! I for one didnt think Italy would make it!

He had the players, knew exactly where to play them and he got the cup ..

I remember b4 the tournament, all the papers where like Italy wont make it, cz their key player, Totti, isnt in form, blah blah blah .. Now look at Italy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


I have a lot of respect for Mourinho, not because of what he has done for Chelsea, but for Porto ... To me, he is of the calibure of managers as Guss Hednik, etc ..

Rijkaard ? I would go for Ten Cate .. I don't think Rijkaard is ready for Milan, especially w/ the team lacking in motivation and worn out, as is. If the board invest in the team, I wouldn't have problems with him or Carlo .. So There is no difference there.

But w/ Lippi, u have a manager that defied the odds and drove Italia to win the WC .. Not any manager can do that ..

With Juve; whether the players were dopped or have influence from Moggi, he still made the right decision with who to play and what the formation on the pitch should be .. Wether he had a leverage from outside of the pitch, none-the-less, he left Juve and came back 2 years later to bring glory back to Juve.

So point is, how could u not count him as a potential successor to Carlo ? His credentials speak louder than that of Mourinho and Rijkaard put together.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Dec 14 2006, 01:31 PM

[han2503]

@han ..

If Carlo doesn't win us anything by next summer .. Then, it's time for him to step down. This is AC Milan not AS Roma !

Lippi, I mentioned him, because apart from his achievments w/ Juve, he kept Napoli in contention after Maradonna left and with the financial difficulties of the club .. I remember it clearly that season .. He blew life into them after Mardonna left.

The WC06 ... !!!!! I cant believe u wouldnt give him credit for it !!! Iquinta ?? Pippo ?? The man is a master mind !!! I for one didnt think Italy would make it!

He had the players, knew exactly where to play them and he got the cup ..

I remember b4 the tournament, all the papers where like Italy wont make it, cz their key player, Totti, isnt in form, blah blah blah .. Now look at Italy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
I have a lot of respect for Mourinho, not because of what he has done for Chelsea, but for Porto ... To me, he is of the calibure of managers as Guss Hednik, etc ..

Rijkaard ? I would go for Ten Cate .. I don't think Rijkaard is ready for Milan, especially w/ the team lacking in motivation and worn out, as is. If the board invest in the team, I wouldn't have problems with him or Carlo .. So There is no difference there.

But w/ Lippi, u have a manager that defied the odds and drove Italia to win the WC .. Not any manager can do that ..

With Juve; whether the players were dopped or have influence from Moggi, he still made the right decision with who to play and what the formation on the pitch should be .. Wether he had a leverage from outside of the pitch, none-the-less, he left Juve and came back 2 years later to bring glory back to Juve.

So point is, how could u not count him as a potential successor to Carlo ? His credentials speak louder than that of Mourinho and Rijkaard put together.

I didn't count him winning the WC with Italy because I just don't see that as HIS big achievment, don't get me wrong I'm not saying he didn';t have anything to do with it, but I just don't count him as the BIG part in why Italy won it. I consider him more as being in the right place at the right time, rather then being a master mind. And what are you talking about? He knew where he was going to play each player?? He kept messing around with the formation and the starters of the team throughout the whole tournament, because the attack was never really working. The only players he knew exactly where to play where Pirlo, Rino and Cannavaro. The others he just kept changing their place.

Ten Cate is good but he's staying at Ajax. And If you are going to count Lippi's achievment with Napoli then yu can look at what Carlo did with Parma before he went to Juve. He got them SECOND in Serie A!!

I really can't see how this season should be considered as the ultimatum season for Carlo seeing how it was totally screwed up from the very beginning.

[milanistar]

I didn't count him winning the WC with Italy because I just don't see that as HIS big achievment, don't get me wrong I'm not saying he didn';t have anything to do with it, but I just don't count him as the BIG part in why Italy won it. I consider him more as being in the right place at the right time, rather then being a master mind. And what are you talking about? He knew where he was going to play each player?? He kept messing around with the formation and the starters of the team throughout the whole tournament, because the attack was never really working. The only players he knew exactly where to play where Pirlo, Rino and Cannavaro. The others he just kept changing their place.

You are amazing man (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The last WC was the coaches WC, actually every team was led by its coach, I don't remember I saw any player made an excellent WC! (Apart for Brasil's Zizou)
As for Lippi he is definitely a master mind, but I don't want him at Milan cause I think he is too defensive, Hiddink would be great for Milan!

Anyway I'll go for Carleto staying (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[han2503]

You are amazing man (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The last WC was the coaches WC, actually every team was led by its coach, I don't remember I saw any player made an excellent WC! (Apart for Brasil's Zizou)
As for Lippi he is definitely a master mind, but I don't want him at Milan cause I think he is too defensive, Hiddink would be great for Milan!

Anyway I'll go for Carleto staying (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

That's what everyone keep telling me actaully (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

You think what he did against Austalia and the US is actaully a tactical mastermind of a plan?? Now forget about the send offs. But look at what subs he made and WHEN he made them.

Of course every team is lead by it's coach, but look at Italy during the last WC, you don't think that a player like Pirlo, Rino, Canna and Gigi didn't have any influence on how Italy played? Pirlo was the inspiration for that team, and if he had gotten injured Italy wouldn't have made it as far as they did. And I know it may seem like I'm giving Pirlo all the credit fo the win, but it's just a fact of how important he was, everyone was making a big fuss about Totti when in Reality he never even showed up, and the man everyone forget was the one that lead Italy to the title in tthe end.
And for me it will always just be, Lippi was in the right place at the right time for the WC win. Now I'm not telling anyone to think like me and I know some would disagree with me, but there are also a lot who would agree.

Hiddink would also be a good choice but he has just taken over the Russian NT, so I don't think that would happen.

btw, why can't we seem to agree on anything lately (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[milanistar]

You think what he did against Austalia and the US is actaully a tactical mastermind of a plan?? Now forget about the send offs. But look at what subs he made and WHEN he made them.

Against the U.S I'll put that on De Rossi's head, and how self confident the Italian were before the game. Against Australia I didn't watch the game, but from what I heard the red card on Materrr changed a lot!

Of course every team is lead by it's coach, but look at Italy during the last WC, you don't think that a player like Pirlo, Rino, Canna and Gigi didn't have any influence on how Italy played? Pirlo was the inspiration for that team, and if he had gotten injured Italy wouldn't have made it as far as they did. And I know it may seem like I'm giving Pirlo all the credit fo the win, but it's just a fact of how important he was, everyone was making a big fuss about Totti when in Reality he never even showed up, and the man everyone forget was the one that lead Italy to the title in tthe end.
And for me it will always just be, Lippi was in the right place at the right time for the WC win. Now I'm not telling anyone to think like me and I know some would disagree with me, but there are also a lot who would agree.

Of course, those players had a lot to do, they are talented and world class players, but France also had talented and WC players, the same goes for Brazil, Portugal and Germany, but they didn't make it, and I think it was because they hadn't someone like Lippi, France is the best example, in the final they could won if they just put another forward, and Vieira injury was like a sign, The Italian were totally drawn but they won thanks to the French coach, the same goes for Brazil and Netherlands, I still remember VB on the bench thinking what to do before doing nothing!!!

btw, why can't we seem to agree on anything lately  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Different vision, same goal!

[han2503]

Against the U.S I'll put that on De Rossi's head, and how self confident the Italian were before the game. Against Australia I didn't watch the game, but from what I heard the red card on Materrr changed a lot!

His subs against Australia where very dumb imo, he took off Gila (who was having a good game btw) right when the second half started, that was wisting 1 sub for nothing. Then Matrix got sent off and he had to put in another defender. Waisting another sub. Then things went bad from there, a little more time and had Italy not gotten the penalty they would have lost.

Of course, those players had a lot to do, they are talented and world class players, but France also had talented and WC players, the same goes for Brazil, Portugal and Germany, but they didn't make it, and I think it was because they hadn't someone like Lippi, France is the best example, in the final they could won if they just put another forward, and Vieira injury was like a sign, The Italian were totally drawn but they won thanks to the French coach, the same goes for Brazil and Netherlands, I still remember VB on the bench thinking what to do before doing nothing!!!

Well Domenech is just a treat isn't he? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I personally just don't see Lippi as the tactical genius as everyone makes him out to be that's all. The only game in which Italy did well in and that fact was based on the tactics rather then above average from some of the players was the one against Germany. In the final France where definately better

[Rossoneri7]

I didn't count him winning the WC with Italy because I just don't see that as HIS big achievment, don't get me wrong I'm not saying he didn';t have anything to do with it, but I just don't count him as the BIG part in why Italy won it. I consider him more as being in the right place at the right time, rather then being a master mind. And what are you talking about? He knew where he was going to play each player?? He kept messing around with the formation and the starters of the team throughout the whole tournament, because the attack was never really working. The only players he knew exactly where to play where Pirlo, Rino and Cannavaro. The others he just kept changing their place.

Ten Cate is good but he's staying at Ajax. And If you are going to count Lippi's achievment with Napoli then yu can look at what Carlo did with Parma before he went to Juve. He got them SECOND in Serie A!!

I really can't see how this season should be considered as the ultimatum season for Carlo seeing how it was totally screwed up from the very beginning.

Well for starters .. Lippi's most notable moment in his career was getting each club he coached a kick start .. Inter, he played for two consecutive season's and got them runners-up .. And I'm talking about the merda, the one's that think third place is alright !

Moreover, Lippi's success with Juventus .. You cant over look it, cuz he left in between of his two stints there and fixed the problem right up again. He is a master motivator, brilliant tacticsis (fresh Idea's like the one we saw in Germany), ... Look this team usually it's #1 goal is the CL and Lippi is a master at constructing a team for tournaments .. He did it for Juve .. For Italy ..

Now I'm not trying to prove that he is better than Carlo, cuz I think highly of Carlo, but his tactics are worn out, his players are tiered (I understand bcz of the summer), but his team can't make it anymore .. This is the third yr running !!

Maybe if Carlo get's his funding this winter, he might find the right fix to get us back to contention .. But even so, are the player's motivated to go on any further ?! ... I don't think they are .. They are tiered .. worn out .. I mean 85% of this team resembles that which appeared in the 02/03 CL final .. We are now 2006 and during this time, Carlo hasn't produced anything materialistic .. We are top of the European standing, right, but that is about it. It counts just to keep us feeling relaxed about the clubs status, it keeps Carlo fit enough to sit on the Milan bench .. But glory anyone ?! His two season's with Juve, just like these past two season's with Milan, runners-up .. Lippi came in and what happened, please dont tell me Moggi, cuz moggi was there w/ Carlo too

All I'm saying is, I want what's best for the club, as any Milanista would want .. But if that means Carlo has got to go, then Carlo will go .. Not me not you not anyone but the board can make that decision ..

And when that decision comes, who do you think Milan will entrust the bench w/ ??

That's when you think ?? Who can logically take us to glory .. Lippi has enough credentials to earn the right to sit on Milan's bench! He has brought nothing but success where ever he coached (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Maybe Mourinho .. Who knows .. But if Carlo comes out empty handed at the end of this season, expect to see him fired.

[han2503]

Well for starters .. Lippi's most notable moment in his career was getting each club he coached a kick start .. Inter, he played for two consecutive season's and got them runners-up .. And I'm talking about the merda, the one's that think third place is alright !

Moreover, Lippi's success with Juventus .. You cant over look it, cuz he left in between of his two stints there and fixed the problem right up again. He is a master motivator, brilliant tacticsis (fresh Idea's like the one we saw in Germany), ... Look this team usually it's #1 goal is the CL and Lippi is a master at constructing a team for tournaments .. He did it for Juve .. For Italy .. 

Now I'm not trying to prove that he is better than Carlo, cuz I think highly of Carlo, but his tactics are worn out, his players are tiered (I understand bcz of the summer), but his team can't make it anymore .. This is the third yr running !!

Maybe if Carlo get's his funding this winter, he might find the right fix to get us back to contention .. But even so, are the player's motivated to go on any further ?! ... I don't think they are .. They are tiered .. worn out .. I mean 85% of this team resembles that which appeared in the 02/03 CL final .. We are now 2006 and during this time, Carlo hasn't produced anything materialistic .. We are top of the European standing, right, but that is about it. It counts just to keep us feeling relaxed about the clubs status, it keeps Carlo fit enough to sit on the Milan bench .. But glory anyone ?! His two season's with Juve, just like these past two season's with Milan, runners-up .. Lippi came in and what happened, please dont tell me Moggi, cuz moggi was there w/ Carlo too

All I'm saying is, I want what's best for the club, as any Milanista would want .. But if that means Carlo has got to go, then Carlo will go .. Not me not you not anyone but the board can make that decision ..

And when that decision comes, who do you think Milan will entrust the bench w/ ??

That's when you think ?? Who can logically take us to glory .. Lippi has enough credentials to earn the right to sit on Milan's bench! He has brought nothing but success where ever he coached (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Maybe Mourinho .. Who knows .. But if Carlo comes out empty handed at the end of this season, expect to see him fired.

I really can't see THIS season being the ultimatum season for Carlo. First of all it wouldn't be fair to him. The reason the team is practically still the same to the one we had in 02/03 is because the board let it happen, not because of Carlo. If anything, you could say that Carlo over achieved in the CL especially these last few years, with the ageing team he's had and the fact that 2 out of the 3 times we where knocked out of the CL these past 3 years wqhere because of bad ref calls (Istanbul, sheva goal wrongfully disallowed and if you hadn't noticed the lines'man had his flag up during Smicer's goal because a pool player was offside but the ref didn't notice. And last season we all know what happened with Sheva's goal against Barca, disallowed for no reason, or rather because of Puyol's dive).

And Lippi's success at Juve ahouldn't be overlooked but I just didn't see these fresh ideas you are talking about duringthe world cup. I think the whole tactics where "just play the ball through Pirlo".

If you want fresh ideas and a man who isn't afraid to make changes to the team then Mourinho is the man. Now I was probably one who was the most against him coming to Milan but I have been watching Chelsea a lot and the guy won me over. He's just a genius. I don't think Lippi is half as good when it comes masterminding a gameplan or changing a game around.

And I was never one who didn't like Lippi he never bothered me at all, but I'm an Italy fan and during the WC I just couldn't stand him, not because of what he was saying but because of his tactics substitutions, and everything about his game.

I personally don't think Lippi would be the answer for us, it would be better to stay with Carlo rather then have him. And if we get to 4th spot then Carlo will stay. Hopefully after Carlo ends his reign with us, Mourinho, Rijkaard or Hiddink will take over.

[Rossoneri7]

@han ..

It's clear u don't seem to be quit fond of Lippi .. That is ok .. Look for Juve games since 94 .. If that's out dated, then 2001.. U'll know what I'm talking about (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The way he played his team to the final (I'm not counting how they played against France) .. Just the route to the Final was enough for anyone to recognize, Marcello Lippi took Italy to the Final. Now wether u like him or not, he did what Rijkaard, Mourinho, Carlo, Hednik .. All couldnt do (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

TBH, I wouldn't mind Carlo staying, that is, IF he can get the 4th spot and try to go for the CL Final ... I'd be more than happy, but if he fails at both those targets .. Then my friend, all sentiments aside .. He will be replaced, I don't think Milan will go four seasons dry ! You could give reasons as to the team is old, no transfers, Tata ti tata ta .. But the truth is Mourinho, Lippi .. I don't care, just someone with new ideas

[han2503]

@han ..

It's clear u don't seem to be quit fond of Lippi .. That is ok .. Look for Juve games since 94 .. If that's out dated, then 2001.. U'll know what I'm talking about (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The way he played his team to the final (I'm not counting how they played against France) .. Just the route to the Final was enough for anyone to recognize, Marcello Lippi took Italy to the Final. Now wether u like him or not, he did what Rijkaard, Mourinho, Carlo, Hednik .. All couldnt  do (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

TBH, I wouldn't mind Carlo staying, that is, IF he can get the 4th spot and try to go for the CL Final ... I'd be more than happy, but if he fails at both those targets .. Then my friend, all sentiments aside .. He will be replaced, I don't think Milan will go four seasons dry ! You could give reasons as to the team is old, no transfers, Tata ti tata ta .. But the truth is Mourinho, Lippi .. I don't care, just someone with new ideas

I wasn't talking about 4th spot, because if he doesn't get us in that position by the end of the season, then for sure he is out. I was mentioning Silverware, as in actually winning it. You think this Milan can compete with Chelsea and Barca?? Our defence can't even handle Cagliari and Palermo let alone Chelsea and Barca's attack.

As I said I never had any problems with Lippi, that is until he coached a team I supported. I never agreed with his formations or tactics during a games and sometimes even the players themselves criticised that they didn't know what role they where playing in and what to do. Mainly because of his constant changes because of his indecision of what formation will ACTUALLY work and he can stivk with for the entire tournament

[Rossoneri7]

I wasn't talking about 4th spot, because if he doesn't get us in that position by the end of the season, then for sure he is out. I was mentioning Silverware, as in actually winning it. You think this Milan can compete with Chelsea and Barca?? Our defence can't even handle Cagliari and Palermo let alone Chelsea and Barca's attack.

As I said I never had any problems with Lippi, that is until he coached a team I supported. I never agreed with his formations or tactics during a games and sometimes even the players themselves criticised that they didn't know what role they where playing in and what to do. Mainly because of his constant changes because of his indecision of what formation will ACTUALLY work and he can stivk with for the entire tournament

That's how u win competitions (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Surely a coach of his calibure cant be questioned until he fails to deliver .. Did he fail ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But ofcourse we cant, again look at the injury table !! Mainly, Sergio is out .. He was/is our rapid left back (dst .. dont (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) .. Nesta ?? Dida ?? .. Well there u have it, but with transfer window right around the corner, Carlo has another shot at getting to his minimal goal ..

IF he doesn't, then there is little, if not, NO say in it for us who will coach Milan ..

Out of a couple of top notch coachs, we have Mourinho and Lippi I see as our next coachs .. Mourinho, bcz of his success w/ porto and Lippi cuz I'm tiered of reiterating his past achievments ..