114 Pages V  « < 43 44 45 46 47 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Summer Transfers 2017

 
Danny
post Jun 19 2017, 11:52 PM
Post #661


Allievi Nazionali
*********

Group: Full Members
Posts: 9,420
Joined: 14-August 09
Member No.: 6,730



QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 19 2017, 09:12 PM) *
Exactly what money is Milan losing out on? What legit offers have we received? I have yet to see anything. Real, PSG, and Juve all have plans that do not include Dolla.


The guy has a market value. A significant one. Just because as yet we have not publicly received a bid does not suddenly mean there won't be one. And that is money to us, money we can use on both a replacement and in other areas of the pitch. Just because our Asian owners are rich doesn't mean we should rely on them.

I just think some members of the board are being a bit flippant over this!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Forza Milan!
post Jun 20 2017, 02:20 AM
Post #662


Giovanissimi Regionali B
******

Group: Full Members
Posts: 1,494
Joined: 18-July 12
From: San Jose, CA
Member No.: 12,353



QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 20 2017, 12:52 AM) *
The guy has a market value. A significant one. Just because as yet we have not publicly received a bid does not suddenly mean there won't be one. And that is money to us, money we can use on both a replacement and in other areas of the pitch. Just because our Asian owners are rich doesn't mean we should rely on them.

I just think some members of the board are being a bit flippant over this!

"The price, or monetary value, of something is determined in the marketplace and is based upon the law of supply and demand. [...]." (Wikipedia)

There currently is no "demand" for Dolla (as there are no offers on the table), hence his monetary value (as it stands) is 0. Now, that may change in the future. Then again, it may not change before he becomes available at a cost of 0. (Why would a team pay right now when they can get him free in a year?)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
d'Arc.LP
post Jun 20 2017, 03:07 AM
Post #663


Giovanissimi Nazionali
*******

Group: Full Members
Posts: 3,717
Joined: 3-September 09
From: Kosova
Member No.: 6,786



QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 20 2017, 04:20 AM) *
"The price, or monetary value, of something is determined in the marketplace and is based upon the law of supply and demand. [...]." (Wikipedia)

There currently is no "demand" for Dolla (as there are no offers on the table), hence his monetary value (as it stands) is 0. Now, that may change in the future. Then again, it may not change before he becomes available at a cost of 0. (Why would a team pay right now when they can get him free in a year?)


I strongly disagree with you here.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Forza Milan!
post Jun 20 2017, 05:09 AM
Post #664


Giovanissimi Regionali B
******

Group: Full Members
Posts: 1,494
Joined: 18-July 12
From: San Jose, CA
Member No.: 12,353



QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jun 20 2017, 04:07 AM) *
I strongly disagree with you here.

Good. That means we have a legit offer, right? (If not, I am afraid I am right. If nobody is willing to pay money for him, his value is zero.)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
han2503
post Jun 20 2017, 07:31 AM
Post #665


Prima Squadra
Group Icon

Group: Moderators
Posts: 39,655
Joined: 6-January 06
From: Malta
Member No.: 1,109



QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 19 2017, 11:52 PM) *
The guy has a market value. A significant one. Just because as yet we have not publicly received a bid does not suddenly mean there won't be one. And that is money to us, money we can use on both a replacement and in other areas of the pitch. Just because our Asian owners are rich doesn't mean we should rely on them.

I just think some members of the board are being a bit flippant over this!

Atm his market value is very low. Why? because his contract is running out and it is public knowledge that he does not want to renew.

It's pointless to discuss how much he could potentially be worth, no club will come in with the 100m we could have asked for had we had any leverage.

Also, we're basing all this on hypotheticals of Real wanting him, but the only keeper they're interested in is De Gea, I don't think Dolla fits their criteria for player selection. The only club I can really see coming in for him with a good offer is PSG and he himself will probably not want to go there.

Juve would be much happier to wait him out, Buffon will stay for another year, so it would be the absolute best scenario for them to negotiate with him in January and he goes there for nothing. Thus they have an instant Buffon replacement for nothing.

I think all this talk of being happy to make him sit out the season is mostly just a tactic to get clubs who are interested to make a proper offer. Or it could be used as a message to Donna, that if he doesn't renew then he's going to have to face the consequences.

I personally don't think this story is over just yet
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
d'Arc.LP
post Jun 20 2017, 08:25 AM
Post #666


Giovanissimi Nazionali
*******

Group: Full Members
Posts: 3,717
Joined: 3-September 09
From: Kosova
Member No.: 6,786



QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 20 2017, 07:09 AM) *
Good. That means we have a legit offer, right? (If not, I am afraid I am right. If nobody is willing to pay money for him, his value is zero.)


Damn, I wrote 3 paragraphs but I accidentally close my window and cant get what I wrote.

Basically, your concept in determining value is wrong and can't interpret demand like the way you are. That would mean that Messi had no value. There are othet circumstances you are not taking into consideration.


Florentino Perez: "Mbappé and Donnarumma are great players and the best players should play in Real Madrid."

Florentino Perez: "The world tells that Donnarumma is Buffon's heir. Yes, its true, we're interested in him."
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Jack Sparrow
post Jun 20 2017, 09:40 AM
Post #667


Loves Greek Women esp Fay
Group Icon

Group: Moderators
Posts: 14,924
Joined: 19-May 06
From: Bangalore,India
Member No.: 1,865



Now rumours are that Gigio might come back to the table and renew after all. I'm not sure about it but lots of people saying if he apologizes and fires Raiola we'd welcome him back. Will we?

I dunno. I've sort of made peace with him going. I don't think I care for him that much anymore. He should take what pride he has left and clear out. Make a name elsewhere for himself.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
d'Arc.LP
post Jun 20 2017, 09:43 AM
Post #668


Giovanissimi Nazionali
*******

Group: Full Members
Posts: 3,717
Joined: 3-September 09
From: Kosova
Member No.: 6,786





Di Marzio: I contacted the club, and they confirmed they have received signals of rethinking from Donnarumma.

Corriere della Sera: Contact between Fassone and Donnarumma's family could resume later today. This saga is far from over.


Enzo Raiola has fly for Poland.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Danny
post Jun 20 2017, 11:01 AM
Post #669


Allievi Nazionali
*********

Group: Full Members
Posts: 9,420
Joined: 14-August 09
Member No.: 6,730



Ugh. I don't want Dolla on any level. No. I'll find it hard to support him. I was already bored with him well before the end of last season, now it's complete dislike.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Danny
post Jun 20 2017, 11:03 AM
Post #670


Allievi Nazionali
*********

Group: Full Members
Posts: 9,420
Joined: 14-August 09
Member No.: 6,730



QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 20 2017, 05:09 AM) *
Good. That means we have a legit offer, right? (If not, I am afraid I am right. If nobody is willing to pay money for him, his value is zero.)


Your thinking is a little askew here.

While you're pedantically correct to say that a commodity is only worth what someone is willing to pay, by your logic Ronaldo is worth 0 because no one has officially bid on him.

And yet, as we know, that is completely untrue.

There are technically three values. The initial crude value the seller places on the item, then the value someone is willing to part with for it. The final value is what it actually goes for.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Danny
post Jun 20 2017, 11:06 AM
Post #671


Allievi Nazionali
*********

Group: Full Members
Posts: 9,420
Joined: 14-August 09
Member No.: 6,730



QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 20 2017, 07:31 AM) *
Atm his market value is very low. Why? because his contract is running out and it is public knowledge that he does not want to renew.


Contract expiry isn't really as relevant as it seems. If PSG bids 20M, City have to bid 30M. If Real then bid 35M, PSG must go to 40M.

A bidding war negates the expiry of the contract being close.

I agree it means you don't get the 100M we could have, but it will still be a very good sum.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
han2503
post Jun 20 2017, 11:26 AM
Post #672


Prima Squadra
Group Icon

Group: Moderators
Posts: 39,655
Joined: 6-January 06
From: Malta
Member No.: 1,109



QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 20 2017, 11:06 AM) *
Contract expiry isn't really as relevant as it seems. If PSG bids 20M, City have to bid 30M. If Real then bid 35M, PSG must go to 40M.

A bidding war negates the expiry of the contract being close.

I agree it means you don't get the 100M we could have, but it will still be a very good sum.

But once again, your'e assuming something which atm is non-existent.

The only clubs which I can see going for him would be Real and/or PSG. Juve would only become an option if he's for free

I personally can't see any sort of bidding was ensuing for him, and if we were to sell him I can't see him going for a lot, maximum would be 40m, but it's still a massive hit for us
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
d'Arc.LP
post Jun 20 2017, 11:34 AM
Post #673


Giovanissimi Nazionali
*******

Group: Full Members
Posts: 3,717
Joined: 3-September 09
From: Kosova
Member No.: 6,786



I think all this discussion will soon be not necessary since there is a real chance that the guy renews with Milan. I am just curious go know if we are tenewing him so we sell him for more money or to keep him.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
Jack Sparrow
post Jun 20 2017, 01:00 PM
Post #674


Loves Greek Women esp Fay
Group Icon

Group: Moderators
Posts: 14,924
Joined: 19-May 06
From: Bangalore,India
Member No.: 1,865



QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jun 20 2017, 06:04 PM) *
I think all this discussion will soon be not necessary since there is a real chance that the guy renews with Milan. I am just curious go know if we are tenewing him so we sell him for more money or to keep him.


It must be to sell for more money. I'm guessing a non-CL release clause of around 30- 35 MM will be signed in as well. Just guessing.

Meh! I was looking forward to Perin. He's too good to be second keeper though.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

 
TriniKing_CE
post Jun 20 2017, 01:12 PM
Post #675


CrAzY EyeS
********

Group: Helpers
Posts: 5,334
Joined: 25-February 08
From: Trinidad
Member No.: 3,723



QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 20 2017, 09:00 AM) *
It must be to sell for more money. I'm guessing a non-CL release clause of around 30- 35 MM will be signed in as well. Just guessing.

Meh! I was looking forward to Perin. He's too good to be second keeper though.

I was also low-key looking forward to Perin as well. He's a keeper I used to really like. Learning of his recent injury layoff I was a bit skeptical as to how it would affect him moving forward and also if he would regain form easily.
Either way... We have no idea what's going to happen at this point. It's just for us to wait and see.
If Dolla stays and extends, I would really like for it to be under the terms of releasing Raiola (although this might be wishful thinking)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post


114 Pages V  « < 43 44 45 46 47 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
6 User(s) are reading this topic (6 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 16th September 2026 - 05:23 AM