[Danny]

PS raging on the Internet is a nice therapeutic way to unleash the fury for me without smashing my home into tiny bits.

[han2503]

Come on d'Arc, what are you talking about, we played how you'd expect us to play when facing a team with much better quality than our away from how where they have virtually won every game.

We got our equaliser and shut up shop, and while I thought it was a mistake for Montella to take off Bacca it generally worked out for us as we contained them better with the 5 mids. And whenever they did manage to break through Donna was absolutely incredible.

The penalty was an absolute gift to them because they were whining their asses off and as usual, they got the call.

Plus injury time had expired by a minute when that was given

Absolutely shameful display by the officials today. I'm truly p!ssed off.

[Danny]

Forget the call, he should have blown the end of the game.

Sosa red added 30 seconds, unfortunately. They add 30 for reds and subs as far as I know.

[d'Arc.LP]

Are you sure you weren't watching a Juve-Milan of 2008/09 or something? Fixed? Low tempo? Agreed withe draw? No, just no.

Ok, that is your opinion. I would write in Albanian and explain better what am I thinking, but that is not fair for others.

I can't remember when I was this chill after a loss though. Zapata and Pasalic made me angry from time to times, but I accepted that and just wanted to see the players acting.

[han2503]

Sosa red added 30 seconds, unfortunately. They add 30 for reds and subs as far as I know.

It was still over 30. The clock had turned to 50 when that was called, taken at 51

[han2503]

Read Dybala's justification

“We are accustomed to when these things happen against us. I want to see if they say something about the penalty Cristian Zapata had on me. At Udinese we were denied two penalties and we didn’t say anything."


Even he knows it was a BS call, but was happy to take it because it "happened to them before" give me a f@cking break (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[d'Arc.LP]

Come on d'Arc, what are you talking about, we played how you'd expect us to play when facing a team with much better quality than our away from how where they have virtually won every game.

We got our equaliser and shut up shop, and while I thought it was a mistake for Montella to take off Bacca it generally worked out for us as we contained them better with the 5 mids. And whenever they did manage to break through Donna was absolutely incredible.

The penalty was an absolute gift to them because they were whining their asses off and as usual, they got the call.

Plus injury time had expired by a minute when that was given

Absolutely shameful display by the officials today. I'm truly p!ssed off.

The fact that we were very poor is not contested. But I think that since Juve is facing Porto in CHL, both teams would benefit if they treated themselves more softly. Galliani likes to see SerieA with one more spot in CHL and we were going to loose or draw (at best scenario) either way. What I think is that the refs were not part of it, that is why they accorded the penally. Otherwise I can't find a decent explenation for: 1) how bad at basic things we were, 2) low tempo by both Milan and Juve, 3) not showing will even at very risky situations, like Kucka and Bertolacci in more than one occasions, 4) the subs (not only Kucka for Bacca, you have a Lapadula who runs like a dog and you dont bring him instead of Ocampos but you go with Vangioni and double the LB position?!), 5) Galliani leaving the tribunes 4 minutes before the end, 6) loosing the ball on purpose especially from 75th minute, look at Sosa and other mids, and many other reasons. I am sure, this was fixed man. I know this for sure, it is actually my job to know this. I hope I am wrong though, 'cos that would be awful.

EDIT: Some match stats https://scontent.fprx2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1...amp;oe=592A463F

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Mar 10 2017, 11:05 PM

[d'Arc.LP]

And, are we going to deny the fact that Zapata tackled Dybala on the box? Also Baccas hand ball after Pjanic's corner?

[d'Arc.LP]

BTW, when Bacca scored, he was offside when Deulofeu passed to him. https://scontent.fprx2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1...amp;oe=5927690B

And DS's arm was not close to his chest: https://scontent.fprx2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1...amp;oe=5935E1BD

And Pasalic deserved second yellow too when he hit Kedira behind his neck with his elbow and he already had yellow. We are not that innocent.

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Mar 10 2017, 11:16 PM

[han2503]

The fact that we were very poor is not contested. But I think that since Juve is facing Porto in CHL, both teams would benefit if they treated themselves more softly. Galliani likes to see SerieA with one more spot in CHL and we were going to loose or draw (at best scenario) either way. What I think is that the refs were not part of it, that is why they accorded the penally. Otherwise I can't find a decent explenation for: 1) how bad at basic things we were, 2) low tempo by both Milan and Juve, 3) not showing will even at very risky situations, like Kucka and Bertolacci in more than one occasions, 4) the subs (not only Kucka for Bacca, you have a Lapadula who runs like a dog and you dont bring him instead of Ocampos but you go with Vangioni and double the LB position?!), 5) Galliani leaving the tribunes 4 minutes before the end, 6) loosing the ball on purpose especially from 75th minute, look at Sosa and other mids, and many other reasons. I am sure, this was fixed man. I know this for sure, it is actually my job to know this. I hope I am wrong though, 'cos that would be awful.

EDIT: Some match stats https://scontent.fprx2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1...amp;oe=592A463F

Look, I think you're reading too much into certain things

1) We generally suffer at doing basic things any given week. It's why we're 7th and won't be any better until we get actual better players who can pull off doing the basic things. This isn't the first time that our players struggled to correctly execute a pass longer than a meter. It's something we see each week.

2) I don't think Juve were playing at a low tempo at all, when they were pressing us, we were struggling to keep up and get a breather at certain points. Yes we were deliberately lowering the tempo, but that's actually a smart thing to do when you know your opponents have far more quality than you and you're being run ragged, you try to keep hold of the ball by slowing the game down a bit so you can re-group

Side note: Forget the CL, Italy will be getting 4 spots come 2019, meaning the top 4 sides in the league next season will go straight into the CL (without even having to qualify). So that theory is baseless. Galliani has a foot out the door as well, he doesn't need to be fixing sh!t so Italy has more spots in the CL

3) How many times does Kucka make a numbskull decision in crucial moments? I think we've all figured out and accepted the fact that he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. And aside from Sosa, and Deulofeu, all our other players seriously lack in basic technical abilities, Berto is half decent but get him on his right foot and he's handicapped

4) Montella went way too cautious way too early imo, but I still think the 5 mids helped us control things. Vangioni didn't matter in the end we played through that game and held on for as long as we could before the ref eventually and very expectedly screwed us over

5) He generally does that unless it's on a knives edge, I'm going to go ahead and assume that he thought we'd hold the draw

7) I don't think it was on purpose at all. We were just looking to punt it up and get it out of the danger areas. At least we weren't messing about with it in front of our defence like we tend to do

[han2503]

And, are we going to deny the fact that Zapata tackled Dybala on the box? Also Baccas hand ball after Pjanic's corner?

That wasn't a penalty imo, if he'd called it, it would have rivalled the one Suarez got in mid-week

Don't know if he actually touched it.

But fact is, if he had to give a penalty, he should have given either one of those and not the one he didn't even see at the death when he wasn't 100% sure that it was a penalty

Dybala practically says in clear Egnlish that it wasn't a penalty, but it was atonement for the ones they haven't been given before. Like that's a good excuse, and like he wasn't whining like a little b!tch as well to get the penalty the he knew was never a penalty

BTW, when Bacca scored, he was offside when Deulofeu passed to him. https://scontent.fprx2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1...amp;oe=5927690B

And DS's arm was not close to his chest: https://scontent.fprx2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1...amp;oe=5935E1BD

And Pasalic deserved second yellow too when he hit Kedira behind his neck with his elbow and he already had yellow. We are not that innocent.

The tip of his boot was slightly offside sure, We've been on the receiving end of a handful of offside goals as well this season.

From the other angle it clearly hits his stomach not his hand, this one skews your judgement. And even so, it was still ball to hand, they were too close and in no uncertain terms should that have been given, especially when the ref didn't have a clear view of it, time had expired and it was a kick that would decide the game

[Danny]

Bit tired of some folk actually trying to take Juve's side in this thread.

**** them. Juve that is.

[Danny]

It was still over 30. The clock had turned to 50 when that was called, taken at 51

Little known fact about added time - whatever is shown on the screen is meant to be absolute minimum. Further delays IN that added time simply extend it. Purely refereeing discretion how much.

Either way we were totally screwed over tonight.

[d'Arc.LP]

Bit tired of some folk actually trying to take Juve's side in this thread.

**** them. Juve that is.

Ok now I know why people are not so active here anymore, thanks for reminding me. Bye

[Danny]

Ok now I know why people are not so active here anymore, thanks for reminding me. Bye

Sorry, but the 'f*ck them' was clearly aimed at Juve, not you. But yeah, if all you're going to do is take the side of our opposition and try to justify everything they did, I stand by my distaste of of your comments.

And people aren't active here for many reasons. I highly doubt I'm one of them given I wasn't on here for like 7 months and the place was already dying.