[han2503]

Smart campaign? Wasn't last summer supposed to be a smart campaign? What this team needs is at least one big player who's able to perform constantly good and step up. Then we can sing the smart Montolivo's and Bonaventura's.

As for dead weight. Who do you have in mind when you say selling/releasing players? Not as many as last season I'd say.

I think the question has to be; who would I keep...

We currently have a 30-man roster(!!)

De Jong and Mexes are probably out, 2 of our best players this season might I add

As for who I'd definitely want out as soon as the season end for me it's a no brainer.

Bocchetti, Bonera and Zaccardo from the defence for sure. Zapata, Rami and Paletta I don't care either way, but none are starting material, just decent back ups

Essien and Muntari are the ultra obvious ones in midfield, Van Ginkel will go back to Chelsea, as for Monto, he's a decent player, and good to have around, but certainly not someone to build round

Cerci needs to be sent back from whence he came, not good enough, far from it. Destro is a decent player, and he's sort of turned my opinion on him as a player a bit, but my first thought about him is correct, he can't be successful here with this sterile team, so unless we plan on bringing in some dynamo mids, we need to send him back. Add to that, Roma want too much for him. Same with Pazzo. Total waste here and it's obvious he's not happy sitting on the bench

So theoretically that's a definite 11 players that should be sent out. But how easy it will be to do so is another thing

I thought it was at the time (smart campaign), but it's obvious that the mish mash of players we brought in was all mostly about who was free (Menez, Alex) or available for a last minute swoop (Bonaventura) or loaned (Destro, Torres, Cerci)

And yes, we do need top quality to be better, but those signings need to be made smartly, it's not just about brining in any big name player. Which is what Galliani and Silvio both think is gloat-worthy. And usually this signing comes in attack. We spend money on strikers in each window while our midfield and defence have been left to deteriorate to the state they're in now

Aren't there new rules by which we absolutely need to reduce our roster? Given our (lack of) success in getting rid of dead weight, we are far more likely to end up with a team mostly built out of players we would rather not have.

Hope I am wrong, but it does not feel like we are making much progress selling the club, if we don't sell the club I don't see where we will get 80M to spend, and even if we had 80M to spend I don't trust Galliani's ability to make the right moves.

Agreed

[X-Offender]

Let's not forget we also have many players out on loan or co-owned (Nocerino, Niang etc.) that we need to resolve. Galliani has a lot of work to do this summer.

[Fillipo Simone]

At this point, the only thing left to do is hope and be positive.

[Forza Milan!]

Let's not forget we also have many players out on loan or co-owned (Nocerino, Niang etc.) that we need to resolve. Galliani has a lot of work to do this summer.

Trying real hard to refrain from commenting on why we are in this situation. Nightmare scenario is we cannot get rid of these players and that's our roster for next year.

[kurtsimonw]

We need a striker like Falcao or Ibrahimovic, someone who is considered World Class..

Falcao is awful. Not to mention £350k a week.

If we're going to pay big money for a top class forward, the one that makes most sense would be Cavani. We know he can do it in Serie A, he's a little unhappy in Paris with having to play out of position and the ££ rumours being thrown around aren't staggeringly high.

We need to build from the back though, I think.

[X-Offender]

So, lots of rumors about Silvio calling Carlo and offering him the job. Bronzetti apparently met him, but Carlo needs some time to decide.

Obviously, if we're getting Carlo then it means we're willing to spend in the summer campaign.

[han2503]

Falcao is awful. Not to mention £350k a week.

If we're going to pay big money for a top class forward, the one that makes most sense would be Cavani. We know he can do it in Serie A, he's a little unhappy in Paris with having to play out of position and the ££ rumours being thrown around aren't staggeringly high.

We need to build from the back though, I think.

Agreed about building from the back. Also, I don't think a striker like Cavani would make any difference as he's someone who relies on service. and unless our midfield issues are addressed, bringing in strikers is pointless

So, lots of rumors about Silvio calling Carlo and offering him the job. Bronzetti apparently met him, but Carlo needs some time to decide.

Obviously, if we're getting Carlo then it means we're willing to spend in the summer campaign.

Media saying he would be given more say in transfers. Personally I'm on the fence about this, comebacks have rarely ever proven successful for us...

[X-Offender]

All strikers rely on service, unless they're called Ibrahimovic. But Cavani is also good enough to create on his own. He's not your typical poacher.

[Fillipo Simone]

Media saying he would be given more say in transfers. Personally I'm on the fence about this, comebacks have rarely ever proven successful for us...

Sorry, I don't think we have the luxury to think in this direction. Also, Capello's second spell ended excellent for both sides, Rocco and Liedholm also had great second spells. So it really isn't a good argument you give there.

[Rossoneri7]

We need to build from the back though, I think.

Milan needs a lot of quality if you want it back to challenging, starting from the backline to the front.

We can name names, but we both know a proper core is the main catalyst. Hence I would rather have a fighter like Gattuso over a flashy name like Cavani. A midfielder like Seedorf than a striker like Shevchenko. We need to establish a spine first.

There are a lot of players to choose from, especially given the transfer budget allocated for this summer. And if its Carlo's Milan ... Even better!

[han2503]

Sorry, I don't think we have the luxury to think in this direction. Also, Capello's second spell ended excellent for both sides, Rocco and Liedholm also had great second spells. So it really isn't a good argument you give there.

I said rarely, and certainly never in recent history.

Obviously I regard Carlo very highly, especially if they give him creative freedom and allow him say in who comes and goes

Milan needs a lot of quality if you want it back to challenging, starting from the backline to the front.

We can name names, but we both know a proper core is the main catalyst. Hence I would rather have a fighter like Gattuso over a flashy name like Cavani. A midfielder like Seedorf than a striker like Shevchenko. We need to establish a spine first.

There are a lot of players to choose from, especially given the transfer budget allocated for this summer. And if its Carlo's Milan ... Even better!

Serious question, you really believe that we'll have a strong budget for next summer?

@ x-off. I agree about Cavani, he's certainly not a poacher, but for him to be great and deliver great numbers he needs strong support behind him and if we don't bring that in, for me, it's pointless to spend a lot on a stiker

[Fillipo Simone]

I said rarely, and certainly never in recent history.

Obviously I regard Carlo very highly, especially if they give him creative freedom and allow him say in who comes and goes

Again, your argument has no meaning. The syntax "recent history" implies the last 10-15 years, so roughly from 2000-2015. But in this period we didn't have any second spell manager. The last managers who had multiple spells at Milan were Cesare Maldini (we could argue and say he saved our cheek that season), Fabio Capello (three spells, first was good, second was even better, third was a disaster), Arrigo Sacchi (first brilliant, second very bad but it was a mid-season change from) and Niels Liedholm (first spell was solid, second he got us a title, third was bad).

So, let's be precise. If we're talking about recent history there's no real argument because we have not a single situation comparable. If we're taking Milan history overall or say the last 40 years, you'll easily find out that second spells usually went better then the first ones, while third spells went wrong.

What does all that mean? Squat. History remains history, only a possible mirror to future happenings. It's just telling us trends and fills us with interesting stats. Is this a decisively important factor? No. But it is interesting.

[Forza Milan!]

Serious question, you really believe that we'll have a strong budget for next summer?

I'll believe it when I see us actually spending that kind of money (until then, I will remain very skeptical).

Also, I fear that 80M in Galliani's hands + Berlu's direction will be wasted (one "big name" signing - probably a striker, and probably in the "has been" category) and then some rather questionable calls in the areas where we are hurting the most (like, for example, midfield).

This post has been edited by Forza Milan!: May 22 2015, 03:55 PM

[Forza Milan!]

Again, your argument has no meaning. The syntax "recent history" implies the last 10-15 years, so roughly from 2000-2015. But in this period we didn't have any second spell manager. The last managers who had multiple spells at Milan were Cesare Maldini (we could argue and say he saved our cheek that season), Fabio Capello (three spells, first was good, second was even better, third was a disaster), Arrigo Sacchi (first brilliant, second very bad but it was a mid-season change from) and Niels Liedholm (first spell was solid, second he got us a title, third was bad).

So, let's be precise. If we're talking about recent history there's no real argument because we have not a single situation comparable. If we're taking Milan history overall or say the last 40 years, you'll easily find out that second spells usually went better then the first ones, while third spells went wrong.

What does all that mean? Squat. History remains history, only a possible mirror to future happenings. It's just telling us trends and fills us with interesting stats. Is this a decisively important factor? No. But it is interesting.

I have huge respect for Carletto, but I am not sure if he is the right man for the job, considering where he would have to start. He seems to do very well when he has a solid team to work with, but I have not seen him actually building a team out of nothing (and, sadly, that's our situation right now).

[X-Offender]

Serious question, you really believe that we'll have a strong budget for next summer?

If we're aiming to get Ancelotti, you honestly believe that he'll accept the position without reassurance of a decent signing campaign?

Again, your argument has no meaning. The syntax "recent history" implies the last 10-15 years, so roughly from 2000-2015. But in this period we didn't have any second spell manager. The last managers who had multiple spells at Milan were Cesare Maldini (we could argue and say he saved our cheek that season), Fabio Capello (three spells, first was good, second was even better, third was a disaster), Arrigo Sacchi (first brilliant, second very bad but it was a mid-season change from) and Niels Liedholm (first spell was solid, second he got us a title, third was bad).

So, let's be precise. If we're talking about recent history there's no real argument because we have not a single situation comparable. If we're taking Milan history overall or say the last 40 years, you'll easily find out that second spells usually went better then the first ones, while third spells went wrong.

What does all that mean? Squat. History remains history, only a possible mirror to future happenings. It's just telling us trends and fills us with interesting stats. Is this a decisively important factor? No. But it is interesting.

Agreed. And just because there might have been a trend in the past doesn't mean it's going to happen again. I'll never understand people who rely on such logic.

I have huge respect for Carletto, but I am not sure if he is the right man for the job, considering where he would have to start. He seems to do very well when he has a solid team to work with, but I have not seen him actually building a team out of nothing (and, sadly, that's our situation right now).

Ancelotti was responsible for building his own glorious Milan team. Yes, he had a solid backbone in players like Maldini, Costacurta, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Shevchenko etc. but the squad he inherited (mid-season) was quite average and struggling, and yet he managed to get us 4th, then with a few more quality signings the next season (Nesta, Seedorf, Rivaldo etc.) he won us the Champions League. And that was at his beginnings. Now he's one of the best and most experienced coaches in the world. So yeah, I think he can do the job.